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[Sirius9121]

Official Vote Count

Titus

(3): cyrus62, Testarossa, Nero Cain

Nero Cain

(2): Almost50, Titus

ArcAngel9

(1): Iecerint

cyrus62

(1): humaneatingmonkey

Not Voting

(4): KittyTacky, ArcAngel9, Andresvmb, Dunnstral

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to terminate.

Deadline

: idk

[KittyTacky]

Missed this starting due to the delay.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty lived agin I think they are scum

Why would scum kill me? People lean scum on me.

[KittyTacky]

Since there's a massclaim... I am a Town Neighbor with Nero Cain and Andres. I have no other roles.

[KittyTacky]

TLDR (for those who can't read): Nero has access to a PT with someone who is still alive, so not T3's target last night and not the other Mason (since Dunn claimed he is). Nero is either Mafia or WW, but his defence of Elsa make me lean WW

That's because he's in my hood.

[KittyTacky]

A50s result isn't fake. I mean I guess there's no point in me not claiming but I'm in a hood with kitty and andre

Well guess my claim is pointless aside from the vanilla neighbor thing. This is town Nero BTW, he was... different in Sibyl's.

[KittyTacky]

How dose a mass claim help town wouldn't every one claim vt any way including scum? And out the rest of prs

Same as VFR in Town Of Salem. If you turn the uninformed majority into an informed one, you're much more likely to win.

[Nero Cain]

Can we just vote hem or Titus, neither are town

[cyrus62]

Can we just vote hem or Titus, neither are town

So are you going to say you,kitty and Andre are all town and we shouldn't hunt there??

[Nero Cain]

No, why would I say that?

[cyrus62]

No, why would I say that?

Then how do you know Titus and hem are scum.

[Nero Cain]

I don't KNOW but those are my reads and regardless of if this is a 3/3 or 2/2 setup there's still scum outside of my hood so....

[Nero Cain]

Like if it's just /2 and both kitty and andre are scum then there's still one scum outside and then if it's /3 there's still at least 3 outside

[ArcAngel9]

I think I'll need to read this game from the top.

Me 2. If i need to make any sense in the game.

VOTE: Arcangel

I think their D2 catch-up post that starts with quoting Dunn about "scum knowing the town well" is extremely vapid/IIOA. Their stance toward Gamma doesn't make any sense -- seeming to want Gamma to engage with them ("who do you think is the scum gamma") but then not appearing concerned with Gamma not wanting to play (ignoring that Gamma posts to say something vapid). If she is scum, I suspect her scumfriend was already on Gamma-wagon, given the roundabout way she communicated a desire to join the wagon.

Please address me "She"

This post sounds like you're trying to create a diversion. I town read Dunn therefore, I wasn't interested in his elimination. The 2nd active lynch pool was gamma and i wasn't there about his elimination either so i pushed them to respond and defend themselves. they have self-voted. How is that have anything to do with me?

ITS MASSCLAIM TIME.

EVERYONE WHO AGREES SAY 'AYE'

AYE.

Eye no buddy. We got a guilty on the table.

I believe the claim too.

Hi, yes, I'm the other Mason. I incorrectly assumed that this game wouldn't have 5 investigative power, as I believe mason fills the same slot

You're about to be even more shocked, as I also am an Investigative. All Investigative Roles are capped it seems. I am a 1-shot Traffic Analyst and

Nero can communicate

. Those kills on T3/nom were super beneficial in theory, because -otherwise- I would have assumed Nero was T3's second recruit. However, my role does NOT catch people with PT access if they're alone in their PT, and it resolves AFTER the NKs.

@Dunn: See why I was arguing Gamma might exist with a Cop? Together they only amount up to 3 shots (not even sure if there's a Vig that could give Gamma a false positive). I know now that I could have gotten false guilties on Masons and/or Neighbours (I didn't account for Masons while I was picking my target), so consider me lucky (for once).

Anyway, given the current situation I think Nero is more likely a WW here (he was defending Elsa hard on D1, but I couldn't act N1, and didn't want to die before I did, so didn't push there.)

VOTE: Nero

Give the state of this game. I believe this.

VOTE: nero

[Nero Cain]

It feels like you just stopped reading after titus' post

[ArcAngel9]

It feels like you just stopped reading after titus' post

Maybe, then please prove that understanding is wrong.
you know that i can't fight with you when you're scum. If you're town, pls partner with me.

[Nero Cain]

I have a hood with kitty and andre. A50 is either lying or misinformed about me defining Elsa. I don't get why you are voting me. Is it just an agenda?

[Nero Cain]

Or just in case you don't really understand that guilty isn't a gulity

[ArcAngel9]

I didn't understand.

Are you defending Elsa?

[Testarossa]

Situations changed. I felt mechanically that Gamma had to be scum. I also didn't expect town!Gamma to blindly self hammer rather than give reads. The way Gamma played that was all wrong. My vote was incorrect but I didn't encourage Gamma's self hammer.

Here, we need to take things slower. I wanted to specifically look at you today and you immediately pop out with a vote on me.

Yeah. That's how I roll when I think I have found something fishy.

I agree that Gamma wasn't playing this out optimally. Why did you think it was scum playing wrong and not town playing wrong?

It doesn't really stop there though, as you had no problem joining the Gamma wagon, who was also supported by cyrus who you were scumreading for two days (and going by your first D3 posts probably still do to an extent?). Like imo the Gamma wagon was generally fishy with other players from the wolf poe on it or generally Andres alone with his naked vote. So even with two scum teams, it didn't really feel like you were critical on what you were actually supporting there.

I can tell by your focus on mechanics on D2 that you were bothered by this. Although going by this displayed mindset I have now to ask why you had no problem with immediately believing A50's claim and following him out of the gate by the context of two flipped investigatives + Masons?

[Testarossa]

In Fact, Testarossa you have placed only two vanity votes the entire game. What have you been doing to find scum?

I was pursuing my scumreads and tried to interact with them.

And yes, I put my "vanity" vote down on D2 because I disliked the Dunn wagon (who I was townreading) and the Gamma wagon too, as he was supported by Iecerint, Andres, cyrus and indirectly Kitty, all people I was scumreading or at least not trusting for different reasons. The fact that I wasn't fully convinced on Gamma aside.

I really, really dislike how you are trying paint my votes as negative by calling it vanity votes, especially my D2 vote. If you have paid attention, you should have figured that going by my online times/activity in this game I simply was only around once on D2 and the day was over the next time I came back.

[Testarossa]

The Traffic Analyst claim seems to be true at least by what I can tell. Curiously I am not really townreading anyone in this hood.

@Nero/Kitty:
Can you share Andres reads with us? Have to take what we can get.

It seems no one in this hood seems to feel affected in any way by the Neighbourizer claims/flips. (this is just by memory though, will check isos later)

On first thought I know that Kitty have been leaning town on Nero for a longer time this game. That would actually add up with scum interest in that hood, keeping it from resolving as long as possible. Can't really remember any stances by Nero.

[Testarossa]

@Nero:
What has been your read on Kitty overall in this game? Especially going by the fact that Kitty seems more widely scumread. Why weren't you trying to use the momentum in game thread to feel Kitty out or were you figuring each other out in the hood?

@Kitty:
Do you believe there is scum in your hood? Generally, where do you have your head at rn?

[Nero Cain]

I didn't understand.

Are you defending Elsa?

You didn't understand that my hood claim nullifies the "gulity" I'm skeptical. I've explained it to you know so your vote rests on me b/c?

Never have I defended elsa

[Nero Cain]

I've been leaning town on kitty and was never a fan of the reasoning that was presented itt. He expressed concern on d1 about getting wagoner and I've been debating whether or not that's the nervousness he has expressed as scum B4. I looked @ our scum game and didn't really feel like his play was similar