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[NorwegianboyEE]

So convenient.

[cool cookie]

im fine with the mason claim. if they are mafia, it is a lie which would quickly be found out, and not a good play. also agree with koba there isnt much risk if 1 flipped mason we wouldn't immediately know who the partner was.

[Nero Cain]

I agree

[Nero Cain]

So convenient.

[MargotRosa]

Sorry all. Cheeky relationship breakdown

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It literally doesn't matter if anyone "doesn't believe it", as ridiculous as that even sounds to me.
Because it'd be confirmed immediately when one of us dies tonight.

My point is you two are obviously not masons from the way Koba has posted about you prior to the claim and the way you are now ignoring my request for a paraphrase of Koba's case. You're both just trying to strongarm this without presenting evidence and now that I'm actually here to play it's falling apart and desperation is sinking in.

What I'm trying to figure out is why you're going along with it - is your read misplaced or are you scum with Koba... Why do you TR them?

[Titus]

Vote me guys. Cmon scum. I'm an easy target. Change to me.

[Titus]

I don’t think Norwee is the move today.

We could always eliminate me.

Hey Nero! I THINK YOU'RE SCUM!

interested in these reactions immediately following NorwegianboyEE getting a bit of pressure, maybe top 2 biggest wagons. it would be an infortmative elim if it happened...time to put my vote to use...

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

This is my first scumread.

[Titus]

SSB flip is completely sanctioned by the combined opinion of me and Koba and everyone should just trust us on this one.

Sheeping this though. If I am wrong, maybe they follow me.

[Rannygazoo]

It is hard to keep track of this many players this early.

That’s why I think everyone making a reads list is weird.

idk if u have played in a large before but a good strategy is to try to mainly just try to find people you can feel comfortable as town, or at least not voting out day 1 and then go from there.

I tried this and I can’t. Most everyone is a suspect.

I’m not scumreading you but I wish you wouldn’t lie about being mason.

[Rannygazoo]

maybe Rannygazoo is not all bad - i like some of the earlier stuff. but some hint of knowing more than he should, and an interesting evolution in thoughts overall. basically rannygazoo begins with a bit of stand-offishness towards the claimed masons, then rueful at 2 potential town loudplayers on the same page, and finally capitulates and sheeps with no diguise. some other points i noted...

Spoiler:

Can we stop this shitty wagon on town!Dwlee and many sus slots defending scum!SSBM for dumb reasons.

I do not vibe with this. I don’t think Norwee has enough towncred to make demands like this.

But prove me wrong. Why should we wagon Kyo, aside from Koba’s intuition for meta? I can’t read her by myself since all she’s done is talk about catching up, followed by a whole lot of not catching up. I just don’t like to vote based on someone else’s vibes unless I have nothing better to go on.

the cynic in me wonders if this is asking for a case to piggyback on, given where we end up...

the walkback on SSB:

@Koba and @Nowree once we put this behind us, what is next on the agenda? Elim SSB immediately or wait for their V/LA to end?

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

We have pages of discussion about you and this is one of the few things you want to focus on? I’ve been trying to stay prudent and keep the game level-headed and this makes me feel like I was wrong to do so. Smdh my head.

VOTE: SSB

im mostly wary of those following dkkoba reads, as it's a very easy way to stay out of the limelight. Dwlee99 is of interest, not only for that reason, but to look at later.

Do you think Koba is town and scum are sheeping, or do you think Koba is scum trying to strongarm the game?

this is a red flag - it was very clear i think that i was implying the former, so setting up the latter may be a bit of misrep/distancing from the truth.

I don’t think Norwee is the move today.

On the contrary, if we had ended the day so early, I would have taken it much more seriously that y’all might be scum trying to strongarm the game, regardless of the flip.

still on the strongarming. maybe TMI.

My dude why are you obsessed with me

[Rannygazoo]

im mostly wary of those following dkkoba reads, as it's a very easy way to stay out of the limelight. Dwlee99 is of interest, not only for that reason, but to look at later.

Do you think Koba is town and scum are sheeping, or do you think Koba is scum trying to strongarm the game?

this is a red flag - it was very clear i think that i was implying the former, so setting up the latter may be a bit of misrep/distancing from the truth.

I will address this point -- I straight up do not remember why I asked this. I thought I was going to expose something about your motivations, but looking at it now, it's an obvious question.

However, your weird combination of wishy-washyness and tunneling feels unnatural, and unnatural feel scummy. I wouldn't mind eliminating you now, but I don't want you to be my vanity wagon.

@titus join forces?

[Titus]

VOTE: cool cookie

Ok.

[Rannygazoo]

VOTE: cool cookie

;_;7

[Nero Cain]

This is my first scumread.

So u weren't really scum reading me?

[Titus]

This is my first scumread.

So u weren't really scum reading me?

No. I was just trying to provoke you to start a wagon on me so I could get into the game.

[cool cookie]

It literally doesn't matter if anyone "doesn't believe it", as ridiculous as that even sounds to me.
Because it'd be confirmed immediately when one of us dies tonight.

My point is you two are obviously not masons from the way Koba has posted about you prior to the claim and the way you are now ignoring my request for a paraphrase of Koba's case. You're both just trying to strongarm this without presenting evidence and now that I'm actually here to play it's falling apart and desperation is sinking in.

What I'm trying to figure out is why you're going along with it - is your read misplaced or are you scum with Koba... Why do you TR them?

i dont follow this

I don’t think Norwee is the move today.

We could always eliminate me.

Hey Nero! I THINK YOU'RE SCUM!

interested in these reactions immediately following NorwegianboyEE getting a bit of pressure, maybe top 2 biggest wagons. it would be an infortmative elim if it happened...time to put my vote to use...

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

This is my first scumread.

why? do you have thoughts on anything else which has taken place recently?

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote me guys. Cmon scum. I'm an easy target. Change to me.

If you insist.

VOTE: Titus

[cool cookie]

maybe Rannygazoo is not all bad - i like some of the earlier stuff. but some hint of knowing more than he should, and an interesting evolution in thoughts overall. basically rannygazoo begins with a bit of stand-offishness towards the claimed masons, then rueful at 2 potential town loudplayers on the same page, and finally capitulates and sheeps with no diguise. some other points i noted...

Spoiler:

Can we stop this shitty wagon on town!Dwlee and many sus slots defending scum!SSBM for dumb reasons.

I do not vibe with this. I don’t think Norwee has enough towncred to make demands like this.

But prove me wrong. Why should we wagon Kyo, aside from Koba’s intuition for meta? I can’t read her by myself since all she’s done is talk about catching up, followed by a whole lot of not catching up. I just don’t like to vote based on someone else’s vibes unless I have nothing better to go on.

the cynic in me wonders if this is asking for a case to piggyback on, given where we end up...

the walkback on SSB:

@Koba and @Nowree once we put this behind us, what is next on the agenda? Elim SSB immediately or wait for their V/LA to end?

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

We have pages of discussion about you and this is one of the few things you want to focus on? I’ve been trying to stay prudent and keep the game level-headed and this makes me feel like I was wrong to do so. Smdh my head.

VOTE: SSB

im mostly wary of those following dkkoba reads, as it's a very easy way to stay out of the limelight. Dwlee99 is of interest, not only for that reason, but to look at later.

Do you think Koba is town and scum are sheeping, or do you think Koba is scum trying to strongarm the game?

this is a red flag - it was very clear i think that i was implying the former, so setting up the latter may be a bit of misrep/distancing from the truth.

I don’t think Norwee is the move today.

On the contrary, if we had ended the day so early, I would have taken it much more seriously that y’all might be scum trying to strongarm the game, regardless of the flip.

still on the strongarming. maybe TMI.

My dude why are you obsessed with me

i'm not obsessed with you. i think looking at people's posts is just part of figuring out the game, and can be a good way to work out who is mafia and who is town. i guess this is a discussion based game, so there's no personal attractions with you here!

my counter-question might be, why have you had such a dramatic reaction on the occasions I've called attention to your presence? i haven't even voted for you, so it can't be that you are under too much pressure?

im mostly wary of those following dkkoba reads, as it's a very easy way to stay out of the limelight. Dwlee99 is of interest, not only for that reason, but to look at later.

Do you think Koba is town and scum are sheeping, or do you think Koba is scum trying to strongarm the game?

this is a red flag - it was very clear i think that i was implying the former, so setting up the latter may be a bit of misrep/distancing from the truth.

I will address this point -- I straight up do not remember why I asked this. I thought I was going to expose something about your motivations, but looking at it now, it's an obvious question.

However, your weird combination of wishy-washyness and tunneling feels unnatural, and unnatural feel scummy. I wouldn't mind eliminating you now, but I don't want you to be my vanity wagon.

@titus join forces?

i think what you could perceive as "wishy-washyness" is me simply trying to be engaged and alive to the player list as a whole, and find my feet in the game. i only just replaced in, so i'm figuring things out as i go - although being reactive to trends in the game is part of my approach anyway. but "tunneling" is definitely not a fair characterisation, given i've reflected on a range of players and not been too aggressive in pushing anyone yet, although of course i want to test reactions too.

maybe you could expand on the tunnelling point - do you feel, for instance, I have been tunnelling you since joining the game yesterday?

[Loftwing]

*Taking in a deep breath*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!?????????!?!?!?!?!?!????!!?!?

[MargotRosa]

Just to keep everyone in the loop, I have asked to be replaced due to a surprise breakup of a five year long relationship. Very upset, and not really capable of keeping track of 15 other people rn. Take care xx

[MargotRosa]

Apologies for flaking

[Rannygazoo]

gut says probably not kyouko today. could consider LicketyQuickety though. it would be more informative for me partly because of the player's clear posting style. and that defence stuff about 'I can't be scum here because I'd never post a half-complete readslist as scum' was a bit sus. had a bit of "mafia caught for the wrong reasons" vibe to it

Followed by:

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

agree that is a bit odd from Ranny.

You use the "caught for the wrong reasons" line and THEN you say it's odd coming from me, when I said it first. This is fake.

I don’t think Norwee is the move today.

We could always eliminate me.

Hey Nero! I THINK YOU'RE SCUM!

interested in these reactions immediately following NorwegianboyEE getting a bit of pressure, maybe top 2 biggest wagons. it would be an infortmative elim if it happened...time to put my vote to use...

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

This vote was bad, and so was your loftwing vote. Followed by unvotes within the hour. What are you up to? Trying different wagons to see what sticks?

maybe Rannygazoo is not all bad - i like some of the earlier stuff. but some hint of knowing more than he should, and an interesting evolution in thoughts overall. basically rannygazoo begins with a bit of stand-offishness towards the claimed masons, then rueful at 2 potential town loudplayers on the same page, and finally capitulates and sheeps with no diguise. some other points i noted...

I feel like I'm not a main character today and I'm too busy to be very active. Why are you giving me outsized importance? Don't get me wrong, you are allowed to. I even think it's good that someone is considering me critically. I just don't understand why it's coming from you.

[Rannygazoo]

Apologies for flaking

You've got to do what's right for you. I hope you find peace.

[Hakai]

I am very lost and I think I will do better after a reset tomorrow.