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In post 1432, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1399, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1370, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1238, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Wisdom either town or TMIed.

Btw this is parroting of STD, who fairly expressed doubts for my townread on him
However Kyouko in the same post also calls Shea vs STD tvt so calling me tmi'd does not make any sense

You should maybe quote whole posts instead of snipping them and twisting what was said in the part you snipped

I twisted nothing, you were talking about shea vs std which i mentioned

In post 1238, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 600, Thestatusquo wrote:Can we call them the hydra name instead of esurio?

It's going to be incredibly hard for me to keep things sorted if we keep referring to individual heads this way.

Also I would need to go back and reread the iso because they didn't really leave much of an impression on me other than that they were agreeing with me.

Anything in particular you want me to be looking for?

Not scum partners with Milo, so no longer unsure - Shea (Shea

is

TSQ, correct?) and STD TvT

Wisdom either town or TMIed. Either way, woolax is a good vote as Wisdom swapped off quickly. If town, he had the same read. If scum, could be a quick vote for some sloppy distancing

VOTE: Woolax

Imaginality's probability plan reminds me of a similar plan based on EVs he made as town in Owners Market Blitz. Mastina, Gamma, and Nancy Drew (Smoke & Mirrors) were in that game. Could be replicating that game for their benefit, but I expect this type of post is NAI for him.

First off, I had to ISO STD to figure out where you got the idea I was parroting him. I finally found it, and if I had read that, which I dont think I had at the time, it was just sucked in all at once with the rest of my catchup. I didn't even realize which slot I had replaced for several pages.

Second, I independently found STD and Shea to be either TvT or town!STD v scum!Shea. I initially withheld judgment, and soon after made a logical error that didnt end up mattering. I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air. So I'm not parroting the TvT from anywhere.

And finally, what is misrepresented by omitting the full quote:

Wisdom either town or TMIed. Either way, woolax is a good vote as Wisdom swapped off quickly. If town, he had the same read. If scum, could be a quick vote for some sloppy distancing

You're implying I'm parroting STD challenging you on TMIing them as town. My post is saying you are either town (with a good read on woolax) or scum (who is TMIing his buddy woolax as scum).

It is clear from the context of the full post, which you snipped, that I was not parroting. You tried to paint 1238 in a completely different light by omitting the context.

In post 1284, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Yeah this worked for you in Chrono trigger real well lmao

For the record I'm not really impressed by ssbm (not scum just, not really feeling town) but I feel the need to mention I'm moving Truth/Innocent/Lies to top town OF the top town going from near-locktown-for-D1 to first-permanent-locktown.

In post 1351, imaginality wrote:Why didn't the Brain Cell wagon give you scum vibes when more of your scum reads are (or were, I'm not sure the current vote count) on that?

Because it didn't.

Vibes of a wagon are separate from reads on players.

You can have a vibe of a wagon being shitty in spite of thinking the names look good;
You can get a lack of a vibe on a wagon in spite of scumreading the names on it.

Admittedly: you can't get a good vibe on a wagon filled to the brim with scum, and the most common vibes are "good vibes with the names being town" and "bad vibes with the names being scum", but you can still get a vibe of a wagon being terrible without scumreading folks (Gypyx wagon), and you can still fail to get vibes from a wagon (the wagon on BrainCells gives me absolute static--literally , neither good nor bad, just zilch) in spite of it containing scumreads.

The two are entirely different concepts.

(permanent locktown)
Truth Innuendos Lies

(locktown at least for D1)
Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

(almost locktown, is strongly town for D1)
Kitty Trauma Team

(various shades of ambivalence)
WhemeStar
Dwlee99
Ralts
Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm

(various shades of null)
Alexandrite
chowchow
Gypyx

(south of null by an undefined amount)
imaginality
The Goat

(lean scum)
SleepyKrew
Woolax

(lockscum)
T3
SirCakez

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner
Your jumps feel random

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So I'm not parroting the TvT from anywhere.

I was saying you were parroting the TMI part, not the tvt
Which was posted after you joined and I'm sure you saw it on pedit

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You're implying I'm parroting STD challenging you on TMIing them as town. My post is saying you are either town (with a good read on woolax) or scum (who is TMIing his buddy woolax as scum).

It is clear from the context of the full post, which you snipped, that I was not parroting. You tried to paint 1238 in a completely different light by omitting the context.

A naked vote on Woolax is TMIing? That makes even less sense

In post 1454, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner
Your jumps feel random

Like I'm assuming you're talking about Milo and Shea discussing their esurio read
Which is like really shallow to call anti-partner
I talk to my buddies all the time as scum
So making such jumps off something like this is awful

@Shea: Yes, the prior has shifted significantly, and can be noted by a study of her games from the past year.

Damnit, I had a spicy scumread yesterday, which I can't recall today.

-Lies

In post 1454, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner

Your jumps feel random

That's because you're reading my posts in bad faith and not doing your homework. You're either confbiased or scum. The words in your posts look like confbias, but it is clear you are not actually trying. I think if you were confbiased you'd put a little more effort into understanding my posts.

In post 598, Milobird wrote:I just skimmed the ISO esurio mentioned and am now convinced I am right, they felt much more concise and like, solid there whereas I get much more uncertainty snd loosey goosey here.

Shea, what are your thoughts on esurio

In post 600, Thestatusquo wrote:Can we call them the hydra name instead of esurio?

It's going to be incredibly hard for me to keep things sorted if we keep referring to individual heads this way.

Also I would need to go back and reread the iso because they didn't really leave much of an impression on me other than that they were agreeing with me.

Anything in particular you want me to be looking for?

In post 1455, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So I'm not parroting the TvT from anywhere.

I was saying you were parroting the TMI part, not the tvt
Which was posted after you joined and I'm sure you saw it on pedit

And I explained why your claim I was parroting STD saying you TMIed him as town was wrong. The context of the post which you snipped clearly indicates that I was saying you were either town or TMIed Woolax as a partner. Different player, different alignment. It is not hard to tell that from reading my post.

I also said it's possible that I saw STD's post, but I definitely didn't remember it because I had to ISO him to find what you were referring to, and even then, it was immediately obvious that I hadn't parroted that.

In post 1456, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You're implying I'm parroting STD challenging you on TMIing them as town. My post is saying you are either town (with a good read on woolax) or scum (who is TMIing his buddy woolax as scum).

It is clear from the context of the full post, which you snipped, that I was not parroting. You tried to paint 1238 in a completely different light by omitting the context.

A naked vote on Woolax is TMIing? That makes even less sense

Either TMIing or town with a real read, because I reached the same conclusion, and I'm town. It's easy for scum to pick something minor from a partner's post in early game and push them on it because the scum already knows their partner is scum and has confidence when reading the posts "this person is scum" - the end result is similar to confbiasing where scum will find something small a partner did wrong and push it.

You say it's a naked vote, and it is, but it's clear what the motivation behind the vote is, even without words, because Woolax only has 2 posts to this point, and the rest of your post shows where your head was when you voted Woolax.

In post 316, Wisdom wrote:hai
tsq/std is tvt
VOTE: woolax

Your gamestate read is TSQ/STD are TvT. It's not a leap to assume from your vote that you think woolax is scum that is coasting along for the TvT ride considering woolax only has 2 posts thus far, and one is just a hello:

In post 304, Woolax wrote:I like tsq's takes so far. happy to see where this goes

VOTE: save the dragons

In post 306, Woolax wrote:oh, sorry.
Hi Firebringer

-micc

Like it doesn't take a genius to understand why you voted there and the fact that you describe your own vote as naked indicates it was either disingenuously placed to begin (scum.Wisdom TMIing woolax) with because you've forgotten your motivation, or it was placed for exactly the reasons I've outlined and you're now being disingenuous in the original motivation in order to perpetuate this confbiased shitpush (confbiased town!Wisdom).

In post 1461, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:you think woolax is scum that is coasting along for the TvT ride

Woolax voted STD
The reason I voted him was because I completely disagreed with that vote and thought it was opportunistic since it was obvious Shea/STD was tvt to me

In post 1457, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1454, Wisdom wrote:

In post 1450, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I saw Shea's 600 indicates not partnered with milo and because I TRed milo I cleared Shea and by extension could confidently say STD Shea is TvT. I say it didnt matter because I'm TRing Shea by his own merit after catchup, and it was just my Shea, not my STD read that was up in the air.

I do not see what 600 has to do with Milo not being their partner
Your jumps feel random

Like I'm assuming you're talking about Milo and Shea discussing their esurio read
Which is like really shallow to call anti-partner
I talk to my buddies all the time as scum
So making such jumps off something like this is awful

This probably indicative of a town mindset.
VOTE: woolax

@Milobird, do you still think Wheme is scum? Can you tl;dr that? I got good vibes from him early.

pedit: Hence "town with a good read or TMIed. either way, woolax is a good vote" (sic.) from 1238

In post 1238, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Wisdom either town or TMIed. Either way, woolax is a good vote as Wisdom swapped off quickly.

If town, he had the same read

. If scum, could be a quick vote for some sloppy distancing

I guess I ended up saying "the same read" rather than "a good read" but my first impression was "that's a good read, that's what I was thinking." Then I saw you unvote and thought "hmm, maybe that was TMI actually"

VOTE: woolax

whatever

choo chooo

Townie town townies:
Milobird
Mastina
Save The Dragons
Thestatusquo
Alexandrite
Firebringer

Not today satan:
Dwlee
Wisdom
TIL (will trust mastina on this)

Gah that's barely half the playerlist counting myself. Looking at playerlist to see if I'm forgetting anyone... Ok yeah no I didnt forget anyone... Now my ISO...

Yeah, no problems there. Any townie town townies have strong objections to eliminating anyone that is not in my town/not for toDay pile?

Scumreads on Cakez, woolax

Wisdom, please explain “poe scumread” for the acronym deficient.

was that it or is there more coming

In post 1469, The Goat wrote:Wisdom, please explain “poe scumread” for the acronym deficient.

Process of elimination, it’s a strategy used fairly often nowadays. That’s predominately how I operate, Bell as well.

In post 1468, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Townie town townies:
Milobird
Mastina
Save The Dragons
Thestatusquo
Alexandrite
Firebringer

Not today satan:
Dwlee
Wisdom
TIL (will trust mastina on this)

Alexandrite?

In post 1471, Milobird wrote:

In post 1469, The Goat wrote:Wisdom, please explain “poe scumread” for the acronym deficient.

Process of elimination, it’s a strategy used fairly often nowadays. That’s predominately how I operate, Bell as well.

Interesting. Thank you.

In post 1472, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1468, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Townie town townies:
Milobird
Mastina
Save The Dragons
Thestatusquo
Alexandrite
Firebringer

Not today satan:
Dwlee
Wisdom
TIL (will trust mastina on this)

Alexandrite?

Gamma head seems town to me