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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:29 am
by Datisi
imagine if a coalitioned partner didn't push the most-lhf slot in the coalition while their buddy tried to tip them over, so that the coalitioned partner's hands aren't bloody the next day
or maybe i'm just stupid and mena is scum
either one, really
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:31 am
by skitter30
I've said *multiple* times this dayphase that i think there might be two, and each time people complained against that theory, so this time i just simplified it
And wrt your other post: i already explained why i would not have started with ari, and why i would have tried elsewhere
You've also in the past acknowledged mu meta/approach r.e. goos trajectories so i'm not sure why you're thinking scum-me just threw that out of the window here
I also think my towncred tanks faster flipping town-ari over flipping town-mena given how multiple people are scumreading mena rn
Like i get that you're arguing is possible, but i dont, like, get how or why you think its likely that scum-me would be approaching the game this way
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:31 am
by skitter30
@dats
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:32 am
by Aristeia
I guess it works if like mena is going to tip over and die even if you don't push him and you look better tomm after he flips town?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:37 am
by skitter30
I mean I still dont know why i'd pick u as the distraction tho
I at least acknowledge that universe might be something i'd do
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:38 am
by Datisi
In post 1451, skitter30 wrote:You've also in the past acknowledged mu meta/approach r.e. goos trajectories so i'm not sure why you're thinking scum-me just threw that out of the window here
yeah i have
but arguably your trajectory onto pushing aristeia would be less bad than it would pushing mena or irrel here - the only push whose transition onto would be easier for you is me and then there's the argument of whether me or ari are actually more likely to flip
and i was mostly thinking of the fact how mena can read you p well (or used to) and how he can figure out bad pushes against his slot, and how even if you personally do get him to die today, then either you have to kill me tonight or tomorrow is going to be really difficult
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:49 am
by fireisredsir
hi
i might just be dumb and it might just be mena but might as well wait to see what he says when he comes back since i think town mena under pressure has some precedent for towntelling and solving
so i don't mind the wagon being there rn and may join it at some point but that point is not yet
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:50 am
by fireisredsir
i also think nk15 is scum
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:50 am
by fireisredsir
i also like datisi triangles
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:51 am
by Datisi
In post 1446, Aristeia wrote:Dats may I please have one of your cute little triangle diagram things for your thoughts rn <3
nk15 is represented by the first image that google gave me when i typed in "not known 15"
let me know if you have any specific points of interest
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:02 am
by Aristeia
aww now I want to ride a hot air balloon with you even though you are scared of heights
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:13 am
by Not Known 15
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:23 am
by Datisi
In post 1460, Aristeia wrote:aww now I want to ride a hot air balloon with you even though you are scared of heights
is it embarrassing that i only now realized what a hot air balloon had to do with my triangle? >_> i'm going to bed
also, how i wish i knew wht goes on in nk15's mind
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:28 am
by Aristeia
if he's town then he is not only tunneled on me/you being s/s but also decided he wants to end the game as soon as possible so he can gloat post game about how we are s/s and nobody listened to him.
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:32 am
by Not Known 15
No. You didn't want to have mena put at E-1 due to risk of me quickhammering them. So I did it myself. Now we do have E-1. And mena needs to step up their game to avoid the lim.
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:33 am
by Not Known 15
And if they are scum, well.... then that's even better:)
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:40 am
by skitter30
I'm still kinda dubious mena is scum, i'm dubious that there isnt a cw, and the current wagon comp is Not Good
Nk15's vote should be alarming for everyone generally, and for irrel specifically, who thinks that's mena's partner
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 10:55 am
by skitter30
In post 1434, skitter30 wrote:I mean ok so you're saying one of ur strongest pieces of evidence necessitates him being partnered with like exactly nk15/myself to work out?
And in the nk15 universe i honestly dont think its super likely that mena gets in in the first place (doesn't necessarily apply to the me universe i suppose).
Also per ari meta that isnt really how nk15 interacts with his partners either
Like if he's scum i think its with ari or dats
Pedit @irrel i sometimes have to pretend to work >.>
And irrel when you get a chance if you could address this i would appreciate it
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:00 am
by Datisi
i think the only way a mena/nk15 universe makes sense is if scum!nk15 is utilizing the "be suspected, then vote your partner at the worst possible time in order to make townies dubious of the wagon and reluctant to yeet your partner"
and i feel like scum!nk15 is rather... unlikely to be utilizing that strategy
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:01 am
by Aristeia
In post 1466, skitter30 wrote:I'm still kinda dubious mena is scum, i'm dubious that there isnt a cw, and the current wagon comp is Not Good
I don't understand why the current wagon comp is not good
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:02 am
by skitter30
Mala
Nk15
I'm having doubts on irrel
And @dats u wanna point that out to irrel maybe?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:02 am
by Datisi
sorry, i've been forbidden from white knighting mena >_>
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:03 am
by Aristeia
like nk15/mala/std contains max 1 mafia by mech so 2/3 town there at least.
and irrel is in your towncore last i checked? - if irrel is town it's a 3/4 town wagon or maybe even 4/4 town.
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:04 am
by skitter30
Fair enuf. I still dont like it and i dont think he's flipping scum
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:04 am
by fireisredsir
with every outside coalition person either already voting or willing to vote mena (fmpov everyone is, ig you could argue im faking willingness to vote, but w/e), either
1) someone is bussing
2) there's 2 scum in coalition
3) mena isn't scum
1 seems like a poor choice considering you aren't likely to really get much cred for it
2... maybe, i guess. purely on associations i feel like skitt or ari would be more likely than datisi/irrel? but on play i think those are town so idk