Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I refuse to believe scum took the IC wonders. It is not worth it with such an uphill battle.

[Leonshade]

I refuse to believe scum took the IC wonders. It is not worth it with such an uphill battle.

Then you think Caesar is scum?

[PeregrineV]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Why would scum take vig and not use it?

[MathBlade]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Encyptor yes.
IC no that could be roleblocked
And vig could be doctored or roleblocked or no one attempted to take it.

Creature after everyone mass claims list out your RB targets.

And when you mass claim you should say which wonders you tried to take which night.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I refuse to believe scum took the IC wonders. It is not worth it with such an uphill battle.

Then you think Caesar is scum?

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[Lil Uzi Vert]

I refuse to believe scum took the IC wonders. It is not worth it with such an uphill battle.

Then you think Caesar is scum?

I could see him as scum yeah. He hasn't made much sense today.

[Leonshade]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Why would scum take vig and not use it?

Probably to keep it for MYLO, better for scum to have more mislynch options and force town into MYLO with more people remaining. Alternatively, they tried to use it but it got protected.

We've essentially massclaimed, and nobody's claimed vig yet. Why would town take the vig, not use it for multiple days and then lie about it?

[Nero Cain]

How are you so certain of this? Though I do feel the same about your suggested scumteam, it's me and my townreads.

Well, I'm confirmed town to myself and Kid has already flipped town and paranoia aside, Dave is prob town. Cloud is gut. So I'm not really seeing why you think RC's reads are so good if there's atleast one confirmed town (Kid) and one very probable town in Dace.

Why did Kids town flip not change your scumreads much? Like I know you said that it made you rethink some of your town reads but your core scumreads are still the same (me, CK). Why does Kid having a solid as fuck town read on me not weigh on you at all?

Could you explain your town reads on Vecna, Nancy, Ali and RC?

[Leonshade]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Encyptor yes.
IC no that could be roleblocked
And vig could be doctored or roleblocked or no one attempted to take it.

Creature after everyone mass claims list out your RB targets.

And when you mass claim you should say which wonders you tried to take which night.

How is roleblock relevant? And something happened with the IC, either Caesar is lying scum or a scum player took it.

Didn't someone attempt to take the vig and have it fail? Skeptical that nobody would've tried to take it regardless.

[Nero Cain]

The three of us being on a bunch of mislynches shouldn't change your read, since town do it as well, so how do you call that behavior scummy when town do it just as often

"town does this too, so don't scum read me for it!" Its VCA, get over it.

[davesaz]

Leonshade is

mathematically not scum

(need to double check this)

This is a fallacy. There is no such thing as mathematically (as in numerically) not scum. Logic in the form of true PR results can rule someone out perhaps, but numbers can't.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can someone list who claimed?

Creature - Alhambra?
Dave - Chichen Itza

[MathBlade]

If anything Maxous doc would probably doc Creature the obv Town Pr role and that scum nancy was the vig. And since three conf towns they tried to off two and failed. That makes more sense than Maxous doccing Creature and makes sense with daychat.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can someone list who claimed?

Ali - Halicarnassus
Creature - Alhambra?
Dave - Chichen Itza

[MathBlade]

Doccing Pine*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can someone list who claimed?

Ali - Halicarnassus
Creature - Alhambra?
Dave - Chichen Itza
Math - Stonehedge
PV - Pyramids

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What did Vecna claim again?

[Nero Cain]

me, Leon, Nancy are all VT.

[Leonshade]

How are you so certain of this? Though I do feel the same about your suggested scumteam, it's me and my townreads.

Well, I'm confirmed town to myself and Kid has already flipped town and paranoia aside, Dave is prob town. Cloud is gut. So I'm not really seeing why you think RC's reads are so good if there's atleast one confirmed town (Kid) and one very probable town in Dace.

Why did Kids town flip not change your scumreads much? Like I know you said that it made you rethink some of your town reads but your core scumreads are still the same (me, CK). Why does Kid having a solid as fuck town read on me not weigh on you at all?

Could you explain your town reads on Vecna, Nancy, Ali and RC?

I examined all my townreads, and I have many that are on such solid ground that I'm not willing to give them up.

Vecna's been open about his thoughts, consistent about his thought progression and he's done some things I wouldn't see him doing as scum (like claiming that Wonder). Though it's not impossible that Vecna is scum, he's in my recent PoE list.

Nancy = Spiffeh's replace out. I know you disagree, we've been over this.

I was scum with Ali, and this doesn't resemble his scum game. And he's not a particularly confident scum player, I doubt it would be easy for him to fake his play here.

RC I recently explained, as well as explaining my paranoia of the slot.

[Leonshade]

If scum was trying to doc hunt, this is the situation they faced N4:

Claimed VT

Nero Cain
Lil Uzi Vert
Caesar Wills It
Leonshade

Claimed PR

MathBlade
Creature
RadiantCowbells
Vecna
davesaz
Alisae

Unclaimed

CloudKicker
Gorkington
NoticeMeSenpai
nancy

Maxous

Myself, LUV, Caesar, Gork and nancy all have claimed VT again today.

[Leonshade]

And Nero.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I need exact names of the PRs but that list works fine.

[Nero Cain]

Why did Kids town flip not change your scumreads much? Like I know you said that it made you rethink some of your town reads but your core scumreads are still the same (me, CK). Why does Kid having a solid as fuck town read on me not weigh on you at all?

[PeregrineV]

If we take for granted that scum have the Encryptor, Vigilante and IC wonders, that means that at least three scum players will have to claim either VT, or fakeclaim a Wonder (and risk a CC). Take that into account in your scumteam theories.

Why would scum take vig and not use it?

Probably to keep it for MYLO, better for scum to have more mislynch options and force town into MYLO with more people remaining. Alternatively, they tried to use it but it got protected.

We've essentially massclaimed, and nobody's claimed vig yet. Why would town take the vig, not use it for multiple days and then lie about it?

Guessing town did not take it. Nor did scum.

[Nero Cain]

Vecna's been open about his thoughts, consistent about his thought progression

How does this not apply to me?

Nancy = Spiffeh's replace out. I know you disagree, we've been over this.

this is stale. Talk to me about the play from that slot?