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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:01 pm
by dramonic
↑ Gammagooey wrote:Also I think that Thunderhog is scumz and you should vote him. I guess I could point to the post he just made but I dislike the earlier ones more so go look at those instead.
No reason to unvote one scum for another.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:04 pm
by Zoidberg
Yeah I iso'd myself and you're mostly right. There are at least 5 in there that I didn't follow up on before I blew up at kuribo. To be fair I was pretty pissed off at the blatant elitism being thrown around that I kinda forgot about those early posts (as evidenced by me not remembering them till you brought it up).
Some of those were meant to be rhetorical (most notably voting wyrd).
Others, yeah I'll cop to not following up. I don't really have a good explanation.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:18 pm
by Gammagooey
↑ dramonic wrote: ↑ Gammagooey wrote:Also I think that Thunderhog is scumz and you should vote him. I guess I could point to the post he just made but I dislike the earlier ones more so go look at those instead.
No reason to unvote one scum for another.
eh you're voting faraday right? empire looked a bit town in the hydra qt i thought, fara hasn't really done much that I think points to him-town aside from call dgb out on being a pile of generally hypocritical garbage until she actually did stuff yesterday. I'd argue that thunder would have a wider group of people willing to noose him and that might be true but it'll still be hard given that fara+spd had town reads on him for silly reasons if i remember the hydra qt correctly and probably a few other people wouldn't be willing to lynch him either.
yeah im just gonna stop rambling about junk now since probably none of this is actually helpful anyway.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:26 pm
by One Direction
↑ Gammagooey wrote:fara hasn't really done much that I think points to him-town
literally just made an actual case which I think confirms me as town (i only make cases in lylo as scum!)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:27 pm
by One Direction
Empire will be posting Sunday after his birthday anyway and he's as easy to read as Regfan so it's not really a problem I guess.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:28 pm
by One Direction
↑ One Direction wrote: ↑ Gammagooey wrote:fara hasn't really done much that I think points to him-town
literally just made an actual case which I think confirms me as town (i only make cases in lylo as scum!)
(Note I don't actually believe this, I'm just joking with gamma. I'd have expectd him to recognise I was town though)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:32 pm
by Zoidberg
↑ One Direction wrote:Are you implying that I wouldn't have a good reason to iso you?
No.
Then what's the point of asking why I iso'd you?
What parts doesn't read town v town?
If I was a townie in that neighbourhood QT and wasn't given my neighbours' alignments by the moderator then I would be hella cautious about coordinating shit in that QT, and I'd be very much wary of my neighbours, ESPECIALLY if they were posting scummy shit like this:
faraday, QT #178 wrote:just say fate accidentally scumslipped in the qt as he meant to post it in his scum qt if we really want him lynched!
I can't see any town motivation whatsoever behind fabricating evidence against someone whose alignment is not confirmed, and as a townie I certainly wouldn't be the one masterminding such a plan.
If you're afraid of playing against Fate or whatever, then I could
maybe
understand wanting to pre-empt him and having him vigged. But in that case town-me would be asking for people to dayvig him, not inventing a bullshit scumslip.
P.s. what did you think of DGB accusing me of OMGUS, Zoidberg?
I don't think it's significant. I think you calling her a newbie simply because she used a buzzword is what people do when they run out of actual arguments. Buzzword use is not indicative of alignment.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:33 pm
by Gammagooey
↑ One Direction wrote: ↑ One Direction wrote:
literally just made an actual case which I think confirms me as town (i only make cases in lylo as scum!)
(Note I don't actually believe this, I'm just joking with gamma. I'd have expectd him to recognise I was town though)
man i was just about to post 'lol, didnt read' too
faradonk wrote:I'd have expectd him to recognise I was town though
y
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm
by Gammagooey
oh that is a y as in why not a y as in yes btw
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:38 pm
by Faraday
i understand what a y means. because i'm pretty town, duh?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:38 pm
by One Direction
↑ Faraday wrote:i understand what a y means. because i'm pretty town, duh?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:46 pm
by Gammagooey
well i ask people y/n all the time it could be confusing
point is i dunno why you think i'd be good at reading you, i don't think i've ever done particularly decent with it before. like maybe kind of in the winvitational game before an autowin got fucked up and my brain basically broke from frustration but it still wasn't super strong before that and i never had a strong scum read on you in metamafia until everyone else except seraphim got eliminated from the possibilities in the dead qt
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:47 pm
by One Direction
↑ Zoidberg wrote:Then what's the point of asking why I iso'd you?
Because I think your timing kind of stank but it's probably just as plausible you were doing ISO's on everyone.
If I was a townie in that neighbourhood QT and wasn't given my neighbours' alignments by the moderator then I would be hella cautious about coordinating shit in that QT, and I'd be very much wary of my neighbours, ESPECIALLY if they were posting scummy shit like this:
that's literally not the question I asked you and has nothing to do with it either as far as I can tell. why reference the arguing being townvtown or w/e if it's just as simple as I'm scum? surely that's irrelevant to the argument and just
is
. anyway there's no problem with trusting competent players, you can get reads on people by working with them. i got town reads based on the thread/qt and worked with them anyway to help lynch fate who i thought was scum.
I can't see any town motivation whatsoever behind fabricating evidence against someone whose alignment is not confirmed, and as a townie I certainly wouldn't be the one masterminding such a plan.
no guts no glory. i'd have faked it if i had a strong enough scum read and wanted him lynched. i already said that.
If you're afraid of playing against Fate or whatever, then I could
maybe
understand wanting to pre-empt him and having him vigged. But in that case town-me would be asking for people to dayvig him, not inventing a bullshit scumslip.
i'm 3/3 against fate as scum. I HOLD NO FEAR FOR I AM THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:50 pm
by One Direction
↑ Gammagooey wrote:point is i dunno why you think i'd be good at reading you, i don't think i've ever done particularly decent with it before. like maybe kind of in the winvitational game before an autowin got fucked up and my brain basically broke from frustration but it still wasn't super strong before that and i never had a strong scum read on you in metamafia until everyone else except seraphim got eliminated from the possibilities in the dead qt
eh you had me pretty solidly town from like d2 --> d6 of winvitational i'm pretty sure. i'm also pretty sure my play has become more transparent since metamafia + I think that was my best game and everyone read me wrong so it doesn't even count.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:51 pm
by One Direction
there was also that dram's bastard game but i don't actually remember any of that besides it being horrible. i thought you had me as town though.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:57 pm
by Gammagooey
well clearly its not day 2 yet so im not allowed to read you as town right now
that's how meta works right
oh i probably did in dram's bastard game but i didn't even bother putting that on my wiki since i was on a hydra+me and singer roleblocked the scum who seemed like he was making the kill n1 according to the scum qt and dram never bothered answering my question about wtf happened there during post-game
also so this post isn't completely fluffgarbage i'll just tell you to vote thunderhog since all of his posts seem more focused on justifying why he's voting for people instead of actually lynching scum
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:04 pm
by Zoidberg
↑ One Direction wrote:that's literally not the question I asked you and has nothing to do with it either as far as I can tell. why reference the arguing being townvtown or w/e if it's just as simple as I'm scum? surely that's irrelevant to the argument and just
is
. anyway there's no problem with trusting competent players, you can get reads on people by working with them. i got town reads based on the thread/qt and worked with them anyway to help lynch fate who i thought was scum.
I don't even understand what your problem is?
- Zoidberg says argument contains 1 scum and 1 town
- OD asks why
- Zoidberg explains he has a town read on one arguer and a scum read on the other, therefore it's 1 scum v 1 town.
- OD thinks Zoidberg's reads are irrelevant
Are you for real? I literally answered your question directly and you're saying it's irrelevant what the fuck I don't even
no guts no glory. i'd have faked it if i had a strong enough scum read and wanted him lynched. i already said that.
And I think that that's scummy.
If you're afraid of playing against Fate or whatever, then I could
maybe
understand wanting to pre-empt him and having him vigged. But in that case town-me would be asking for people to dayvig him, not inventing a bullshit scumslip.
i'm 3/3 against fate as scum. I HOLD NO FEAR FOR I AM THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.
3/3 while town against fatescum? Or 3/3 while scum against fatetown? I'm confusion.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:05 pm
by Faraday
oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town). 4/4 if we count my cult draw. we will to make him mad.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:06 pm
by One Direction
oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town). 4/4 if we count my cult draw. we will to make him mad.
god i'm literally a cunt.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:06 pm
by vollkan
↑ ThunderHog wrote:Unvote
BT's stoicism is convincing me of his towniness. A scum provided with the kind of BS that I threw at him would be actively trying to cut my head off. It's true that he's currently voting me, but the fact that he's been quiet for this long and not trying to get more people on my wagon is what I'm going on here.
ThunderHog+3
This reads like an attempt to mollify an attacker. The idea that scumBT would be "actively trying to cut [his] head off" is untrue. If anything, it would be the other way round - if BT genuinely suspected Hog, you'd expect him to be more dogged in his pursuit.
Other than that, well you have a brain, don't you? Use it.[/quote]
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:08 pm
by One Direction
↑ Zoidberg wrote:Are you for real? I literally answered your question directly and you're saying it's irrelevant what the fuck I don't even
i'm actually asking why you specifically phrased it like that instead of saying 'DGB is town, Faraday is scummy'. I mean I thought you were saying 'Well they're arguing and town don't argue against each other like that' but it looks like I just misunderstood what you meant by it given the way you're restating it.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:14 pm
by Zoidberg
↑ One Direction wrote:oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town).
Thanks for clearing that up.
Question, though: Your scum winrate vs townfate isn't what's relevant here, since you want us to believe you're town. If you're not afraid of playing vs Fate, then why would you fabricate a scum slip as town? You already said your read on him wasn't confident, so what was it?
Because again, I can't see any town motivation behind it.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:14 pm
by Zoidberg
↑ One Direction wrote: ↑ Zoidberg wrote:Are you for real? I literally answered your question directly and you're saying it's irrelevant what the fuck I don't even
i'm actually asking why you specifically phrased it like that instead of saying 'DGB is town, Faraday is scummy'. I mean I thought you were saying 'Well they're arguing and town don't argue against each other like that' but it looks like I just misunderstood what you meant by it given the way you're restating it.
Ok.
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:15 pm
by Zoidberg
↑ Zoidberg wrote: ↑ One Direction wrote:oh i thought it was obvious from the last part. the latter (me scum, him town).
Also, if you're town, why did you bring up your scum winrate vs town fate?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:21 pm
by One Direction
↑ Zoidberg wrote:Question, though: Your scum winrate vs townfate isn't what's relevant here, since you want us to believe you're town. If you're not afraid of playing vs Fate, then why would you fabricate a scum slip as town? You already said your read on him wasn't confident, so what was it?
(I know I was just mocking fate with the first part)
I didn't fabricate it though? I said we could if it came to it, but I mean didn't? I don't see why the mere suggestion of it is such a bad thing at all. I'd fabricate it to get him lynched, which is probably difficult enough day 1 given I think he'd probably manage to fakeclaim his way out of it. And I meant it wasn't confident enough to fabricate it, I was pretty confident when I initially said it though just that I'd have to have a fairly high level of surity before doing that. The 'whoops almost mistook this for a hydra qt' seemed like fate was trying to fake townslip and I thought he was scum because of it.