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Yes

~Wis

And so are you for trying to lynch lurkers instead of Mala

~Wis

↑ Thor and Loki wrote:

↑ White Narcissus wrote:I can buy nacho scum. Especially since bro is missing in action and he does lurk as scum

~Wis

Remember how BRO's lurking was strategic? Do you think it's strategic here?

I think it's lazy regardless of your alignment. I was more concerned with your lurking, to be honest.

Anyway, with 11 active players at the moment (until Zymf gets replaced), we're unlikely to achieve a lynch Shadowcat at this point, so it's technically off the table by default. 7 players required to lynch. Loki isn't going to vote them, notscience isn't going to vote them, Mikazuki seems unlikely to vote them and they're not going to self-vote. It would require all players outside of them to vote Shadowcat in the next 20 hours for a lynch on Shadowcat to happen before the next 48-hour tick.

To be frank, I'd still vote them today. Mostly because, while I don't think they're stalling for darkness reasons, I do think their reads are fake and the reason they keep saying later is because their reads are manufactured and they need time to make up whatever they're going to say. I don't care enough about their role claim that it's a factor here.

That said, I'm not opposed to lynching Skold. But eh. My issue with him at the moment is basically lack of content and what little content there is doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have no strong feelings Skold is going to flip scum.

@Mikazuki I already explained this, but any excuse to get away from ISOing. I meant to fos and used pvote instead.
pedit: ZZZX omfg I want to punch you atm. I AM KUROSAKI KENSUKE. THIS HAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. SHUT UP.
Also eat rope.I'll address everything else after this. Even if you lynch me today when I flip town lynch ZZZX

Oh, that and Skold's reasoning behind his reads here is almost completely unlike his reasoning in the newbie games I linked at some point. I'm aware they don't have intensive flavour/mechanics, but still, any time he mentions a scum read here, it's based on not-actually-play-related stuff.

That was, ironically, written before I saw #1478.

Probably the only way I'll vote Shadow toDay is if I'm hammering right before deadline, at this point in the game any lynch is better than no lynch and I don't think it's impossible for Shadow to flip scum.

↑ Skold wrote:@Mikazuki I already explained this, but any excuse to get away from ISOing. I meant to fos and used pvote instead.
pedit: ZZZX omfg I want to punch you atm. I AM KUROSAKI KENSUKE. THIS HAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. SHUT UP.
Also eat rope.I'll address everything else after this. Even if you lynch me today when I flip town lynch ZZZX

pvote: ZZZX

Yes but you still are suspecting him now but not earlier?

What's with the erratic voting btw? Are you scumreading ZZZX?

↑ Mikazuki wrote:What's with the erratic voting btw? Are you scumreading ZZZX?

The weird voting cause I'm getting kinda pissed off m8. You can say you don't believe me if you like but I don't act like I'm just fucking dodging your questions because I'm not.

Follow up answer for @Wis Ze isn't scum I meant for that pvote to be an fos forgot to the difference because I've been playing other games.

Not going to be arsed with the rest of the D2 analysis. My vote on ZZZX is more me being angry as fuck but I'm going to ISO him now. Mika + Wis + Ze are town, Thorki is null, not sure so much on notscience. Gaiden could be scum, was ISOing him now I honestly couldn't care less.

FOS still means you're at least somewhat scumreading him thought right? What do you usually use FOS for?

↑ Skold wrote:KUROSAKI KENSUKE

Well its the first time i saw you mension that,. Mkay.

also chill dude. isnt that alittle too... much of a reaction?

It's your responsibility to read the thread, plus he has like 20 posts, wouldn't even be hard to ISO him to look for a claim.

Not to mention you said you wanted to lynch him for 'ignoring' your question, I'd be annoyed at you too if I was him.

↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:Oh, that and Skold's reasoning behind his reads here is almost completely unlike his reasoning in the newbie games I linked at some point.

First of all fuck meta. Fuck meta with a 10ft iron pole. I first of all wouldn't go out of my way to read games with people in my games. It's rude, kinda intrusive and I've never seen it work.

Second if you look at those games in one I lost in the other I selfhammered. You can hardly say that I should be sticking with the old playstyle. So I'm trying to move my gameplay more over to intuition. Most evidence I've found not to actually be indicative of alignment because in reality plenty of townies do anti-town things.

pedit: @ZZZX no bloody way. It was pointed out to you by Mikazuki and Ze. You'd have to be making an effort to not read those posts.

@Mikazuki Ehh I think I use FOS differently. I use it to say that I dislike the action but don't think it's scummy enough to vote you for it. I've FOS'd people I have strong town reads on before.

Until I'm done with my ISO ZZZX is just dumb and annoying. This could change.

Gods you people are exhausting. Taking a 1 hour break to play league.

↑ Skold wrote:@Mikazuki Ehh I think I use FOS differently. I use it to say that I dislike the action but don't think it's scummy enough to vote you for it. I've FOS'd people I have strong town reads on before.

I'll just chalk that up as a difference in definition then.

↑ Skold wrote:First of all fuck meta. Fuck meta with a 10ft iron pole. I first of all wouldn't go out of my way to read games with people in my games. It's rude, kinda intrusive and I've never seen it work.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, meta can be quite a useful tool if you use it properly and with caution.

↑ Mikazuki wrote:It's your responsibility to read the thread, plus he has like 20 posts, wouldn't even be hard to ISO him to look for a claim.

Not to mention you said you wanted to lynch him for 'ignoring' your question, I'd be annoyed at you too if I was him.

↑ Skold wrote:

↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:Oh, that and Skold's reasoning behind his reads here is almost completely unlike his reasoning in the newbie games I linked at some point.

First of all fuck meta. Fuck meta with a 10ft iron pole. I first of all wouldn't go out of my way to read games with people in my games. It's rude, kinda intrusive and I've never seen it work.

Second if you look at those games in one I lost in the other I selfhammered. You can hardly say that I should be sticking with the old playstyle. So I'm trying to move my gameplay more over to intuition. Most evidence I've found not to actually be indicative of alignment because in reality plenty of townies do anti-town things.

pedit: @ZZZX no bloody way. It was pointed out to you by Mikazuki and Ze. You'd have to be making an effort to not read those posts.

@Mikazuki Ehh I think I use FOS differently. I use it to say that I dislike the action but don't think it's scummy enough to vote you for it. I've FOS'd people I have strong town reads on before.

I can fucking swear i read all his posts... somehow it flew over my head >.<

Anyway looked over hte claim and it really proves nothing i guess. hmm....
until i see what i should do .

I don't think meta is a be-all-end-all tool, but I do think it can be useful in assessing particular things. It is certainly not something I would use by itself, but in tandem with other issues I have with your play so far (namely, continued lack of real content - or, rather, continued lack of assessing play in any way), it doesn't help that I can find games where you've been town and, even if you lost or did something as silly as self-hammering, the way you went about forming reads was certainly a lot different than what you've done here.

It also just occurred to me while reading back over Newbie 1582 that Taly was in that player-list and it clicked that one of the reasons Taly might have died last night is because you're familiar with him and he's somewhat familiar with how you play as town. Though this also may just be a coincidence.

↑ Mikazuki wrote:

↑ Skold wrote:First of all fuck meta. Fuck meta with a 10ft iron pole. I first of all wouldn't go out of my way to read games with people in my games. It's rude, kinda intrusive and I've never seen it work.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, meta can be quite a useful tool if you use it properly and with caution.

Can you show me a game where meta ended up working for you (or whoever was in that game). I'd like to see meta done right. All the meta I've seen has boiled down to ''X lurked in a couple of their recent scum games, and hasn't posted in 24 hours. Lynch now''. Which sounds batshit crazy to me.
pedit: Are you saying I NK'd Taly because I've played with him before? As a side note I have some spare tinfoil in case you need a new hat.

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Though I acknowledge it's by no means a certainty, it is a thought that occurred to me when thinking about it just then.

I can think of alternate explanations, like perhaps someone was PR hunting (assuming Seiko had a PR of sorts), but this doesn't seem likely. Or perhaps it had to do with Taly's reads, but I don't even remember what they were or if he had any solid stances.

Taly was a strange kill. I could see someone with previous experience with Taly killing him.

Tinfoil is best for solar ovens though

Well I've only completed 3 games so far but I pretty much lost my 2nd game (as scum) because half the players could meta read each other. Also in my most recent game part of the reason I didn't end up trying to mislynch on Day 3 was because of a conftown player's meta read.

Meta isn't an end-all 100% strategy, but disregarding it completely is probably a bad idea. Although to be fair, for players who have only a few games so far, their meta would be less reliable than someone who's been around for years.

Taly didn't even have any scum reads, he only shared his town reads and voted lufan.

Meta can be a double-edged sword. I would not use it to describe someone playing different from their scum game or similar to their town game. I would use it to describe someone playing different from their town game or similar to their scum game. At worst, it can lead to useful discussion. It's only dangerous when people use it to suggest someone isn't playing like how they do as scum so they're town, or something like that. Many a fool hath been taken down with this reasoning. Yes, you, person-who-is-reading-this-game-but-not-actually-playing. Yes, you.

↑ Skold wrote:

P-Vote:Zelink

I thought it was already established that we're working under the assumption that scum don't know specific darkness levels. If not, we should be, since knowing darkness levels doesn't help town and it COULD help scum.

Currently ISOing Gaiden will update whenever I comment on my catching up.

Currently catchin up with last nights posts and saw this gem.
lol isoing me.