micro 840: mystery box of silver (this is over)

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Spoiler:

Vote count 1.a

mastina (3):

Nibbui, the worst, Mephistophanes 39

the worst (3):

Pink Ball, LolWagons, skitter30

podoboq (1):

mastina

not voting (2):

podoboq, sheepsaysmeep

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends january 8 (2019) at 00:10 central US time; in (expired on 2019-01-08 00:10:00)

mod notes

• skitter30 vla on fridays and saturdays
  
• literally just 100% forgot abt this for 20 minutes

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[the worst]

I wonder if I'm getting under Mastina's charm though

She is strangely charming

[mastina]

I think no one can correctly read mastina here and her posts at least for me are nullscum because I've not seen any fluidity on her reads
she did read the opening posts and her later readlist is basically the same than it was on page 1 or 2
that's not normal imo

Nibbui what are you high on.

My reads didn't change one iota in Red Flag.

And while I haven't been town in many games recently, my reads never changed in Labyrinth, Varsoon Variety, Stock Photos, Be Someone Else, or Magical Girls Mafia.

And they only changed

once

in Earthbound, with a similar reluctance to change in Scummers in this Game.

You literally saw me explain my philosophy as to why.

My reads only change when I have reason to change them.

I've no reason to change my Mephistophanes read; I was townreading nsg, I'm townreading Nancy, and I'm townreading Aristophanes.
I've no reason to change my podoboq read; I gave you my scum case, the entirety sum of why people are townreading podoboq seems to be "oh I liked these reads from podoboq" (which is absolute horseshit), and he continues to scum it up whenever he posts.
I've no reason to change my the worst read; I haven't given you the case, and admittedly I've slacked off a bit in hounding his posts, but he is still playing scum here and I can better explain that later.

I've only had one read change--skitter moving to being a townread--but that's because there's only been the one read that has had reason to change.

Pink Ball is just as town as before and continues to town it up whenever present.
You are even more town and continue to town up whenever present.
Lolwagons is someone who is a strong enough scum player to not be outside his scum range and it's hard to lock down anything he's said as being undeniably town, but there's also a lack of scum indicators. In other words, he continues his slot's position of being null, because I haven't locked onto an unambiguously town or unambiguously scum indicator from him.
sheep has continued to produce content, and my read actually

has

changed there...several times. By which I mean fully ambivalent on him. There are areas where I hard-townread what he was doing, but were followed immediately by areas where I hard-scumread what he was doing, so it's impossible right now to lock him down.

Those two reads I imagine

will

change in the future, when I CAN lock them down, similar to how my read on skitter changed from being right in that null pool with them to town. But it hasn't changed yet, because nothing there has changed. My reads change when there is reason for them to change, when there is something that definitively points me in a new direction.

And that largely hasn't happened.
Because my conclusions remain the same.
Because nothing has come up that changes said conclusions.

[Nibbui]

mastina my problem isn't you lacking fluidity on your reads, I know somewhat that when you fix your reads on someone, you stay with that for a while

my problem is that you fixed your reads on page 1 or 2

in Red Flag you had a whole day to fix your reads on and it makes sense you keeping them static there

here you hadn't much to base they on firstly though

maybe it's just a coincidence however

[mastina]

But I’m probably more hurt at tw, regardless.

I find it much easier to forgive players when it's revealed that they were scum, working towards their wincon with their push.

[mastina]

So in duck's readlist he had Nancy and LolWagons as scum and mastina as null; Nibbui asked him what's up with mastina and he replied that she towntelled because she read him backwards, but that she could go either way. Now that Nancy towntelled, the duck votes mastina.

I mean, that pretty much tells you everything you need to know, yes!

[Nibbui]

I don't know if Mastina begins the day by hard bussing tw in the hypothetic scenario they are partners though

If I remember right, she has a somewhat aversion for bussing. Not that strong but idk if she would do that since the start of d1.

this game is messing up with my head

[mastina]

I can’t help get the feeling that Mastina has somehow set up a situation with an artificial 1v1 between tw and myself. Having us as her #1 townread and the worst, as her #1 scumread.

You apparently haven't been paying attention if you think the worst is my #1 scumread; that'd be podoboq.

You also apparently haven't been reading my fucking posts, because.

She approaches this in a deliberately scummy way

I already fucking answered this. I did no such thing so stop fucking saying I did.

Neither Mastina’s #1 townread on us or #1 scumread on the worst are ever explained

Also false.

Read my fucking posts because

literally nothing you're saying about me is true

.

[Nibbui]

I can see where Mastina is coming about podoboq as well

not their RVS entrance or whatever

but their play here is very consensus and laid back yes

oh god...

[skitter30]

ah I worded it badly; I rate the fact you're not going down the meta rabbit hole tho I do think there's certain things you might recognise, it's not all that important vs ingame stuff

do you TR mastina?

idk; honestly most of what she's saying feels kinda null; like i read through it but i don't have like ai thoughts on it
why are you voting her?
or why are you scumreading lolwagons?

I feel like skitter does warrant one, but pretending she warranted one from essentially the onset is ridiculous unless your experience with her is on soulread levels. She's quite competent as both alignments and has a style almost identical between them; to read her as town, you need to find the content which is beyond her ability to fake as scum, and that content didn't exist as far as I could tell until much later in her iso than you are saying.

And if she is at all in any way honest with herself, she'd be the first to tell you this.

i don't have any prior experience with lolwagons
i think i'm a lot better at town than scum but i'm competant at scum even though i hate playing it passionately. and like i said before generic townie looking walls should not be a reason to townread me; i can fake that/analysis/nuance fairly easily imo

i do think i'm like hilariously out of my scumrange rn tho
his reason for townreading me in 1121 was kinda meh and not a great reason for me

(and i mean it's not like i try to mimic my town posting style as scum or anything)

==

but like, you have a couple of posts saying "if Meph reds", "Lynch Meph today and sort out me/lolwagons tomorrow"

yeah these feel kinda bad to me too

==

I still don't see what you're seeing as town in mastina's posts, it's like agenda driving => fear mongering => sweeping holistic theory statements => repeat

didn't u say earlier that she kinda does this sort of thing as town?

[mastina]

I think his rage in regards to Mastina is genuine, and he even seems to have deleted a post about Mastina's accusations due to being angry

Yes.
What makes that town?

Being angry genuinely does not a townie make.

About his reaction on me engaging him, I don't think that scum!Podoboq would have even voted you only to make me still be in the game
I think he would still say the same thing but not vote with me there

I don't see why.

I meant that there was too much "mindmelding" and too much convergence on our reads, between you, me, the worst, skitter and I think podoboq too? I said that your lack of paranoia was disturbinh, 'cause back then I was pretty sure that someone was fabricating their reads in order to be part of a townbloc. Now I see I was right: you WERE thinking what I was thinkin, 'cause you came to the conclusion that there must be scum between sheep, the worst and mastina.

Right then! So Nibbui has proven that they really WERE thinking the same way that you were.
And yet there was too much convergence in the reads.
You correctly point out that someone in there was fabricating their reads.

So you're left with {the worst, skitter, podoboq} having at least one faker.
Lemme give you a hint: it's not skitter; I said 'at least' for good reason.

[skitter30]

like @tw i guess my problem with ur mastina push rn is that it feels a little conveniently-timed? like as your wagon heats up you decide mastina - who happens to be ur counterwagon - is obvscum

[the worst]

I can't accurately read mastina imo. but I don't really see her town motivation here and like I can happily be talked outta this but I don't think anyone's convincingly townreading her....?

[sheepsaysmeep]

I think the problem with metaing duck is that he is like

very depedent on his energy levels

but I think he has been somewhat scummy for in-game reasons and I can explain

plaese do explain

im totally not just looking for reasons to sheep nibbui rn

[mastina]

we should make gimmik rap alts guys

Actually.

I, uh.

I already have one.

Mastina join the TW wagon it’s going places.

we should cross-vote <3

Sure thing!

VOTE: the worst.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk


he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme

[Nibbui]

we should make gimmik rap alts guys

Actually.

I, uh.

I already have one.

WE ARE GOING TO RAP BATTLE SOMEDAY

[the worst]

i thought about it and... tw could be scum here idk


he's definitely not anywhere near clear by meta anymore and i barely even read those games before being like lolme

welp

[mastina]

like rn she's talking about her townread on NSG which was a pretty forced read ("ooo mystery" isn't like. towny/lassaiz-faire in rvs and realistically is not the kind of thing you look at for a towny solving mindset in rvs, surely, please tell me if you think this is being dumb) and tmi townread of Nancy which she's mostly let sit on the back burner while we actually pushed Nancy but is yelling about now she realises it's not a mislynch

The reason I'm not defending Nancy in spite of the pressure there is, because I was catching up.

What good does defending against Nancy pressure posted 20 pages ago do, if by the time I'm caught up, it turns out that there's no pressure there? (Which is pretty much...exactly what happened?) I mean, sure. If Nancy were still in danger at this point, you can bet your ass I'd go to her defense, but frankly. Simply put. She isn't. So it's not needed.

I do what I need to do in games, and don't waste time/effort on things I don't need to do. Nancy needs no defense right now, so she doesn't get it. Nancy needed it 20 pages ago...but

I wasn't here 20 pages ago

. So retroactively giving her defense would be just as much a waste of my time as giving a player already mislynched a case on why they are town.

[Nibbui]

IS SHEEP PERHAPS SCUM

[Nibbui]

I'M NOT GOING TO BELIEVE MY EYES IF THERE IS NO SCUM IN [Mastina, The worst, Sheep]

[Nibbui]

I think the problem with metaing duck is that he is like

very depedent on his energy levels

but I think he has been somewhat scummy for in-game reasons and I can explain

plaese do explain

im totally not just looking for reasons to sheep nibbui rn

I feel that the "obvtown" duck only happens when he is fairly high level energy and engaging everyone in thread

but he is a bit burned down by mafia I think and idk if it's as scummy as it was before the lack of this specific behavior

probably not?

[mastina]

ari is a scumgod and top tier meta manipulation is his greatest strength

No.

You weren't there for his strongest scumgames.

I was.

As his scum partner, no less.

I actually know the context behind the situation, rather than the meme it's evolved into.

Aristophanes didn't outplay Ellibereth.
He was simply not caught and put in Elli's POE--in Elli's null pile. Ellibereth's town pile which comprised of all but six or seven of the players in that game was 100% entirely correct. Ellibereth's scum pile which comprised of three of the four scum was 100% correct. Aristophanes was one of the three or four names Ellibereth had in the null pile, and had he not eaten the N1 nightkill, Ellibereth would have pushed Ari to death the moment he got the chance. Had the town actually sheeped Ellibereth's reads, that game would've been a town win because Elli instructed them to lynch within the nulls. That the town didn't do so was the fault of the town. Not Ellibereth.

And, mind you.

Aristophanes ended up winning that game not because of

his

posts.
But because of

my

post. Specifically, he earned a townread because of where I placed him in my readslist.

Aristophanes isn't an atrocious scum player, but he's no god of scumplay; he's getting better, but not to the point where he can fool me.

[LolWagons]

I’m not specifically trying to call Mastina out, but the heavy meta stuff in posts like #1497 is what has made this game confounding and long.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i lost all of my motivation to play after nancy's posting this morning