and I haven't had much time to sync and my motivation's dissipated a bit, as well as the strength in several of my individual reads. Time to change my approach.
Spoiler: Post reply to GuiltyLion (Also to MS as well)
In post 894, Fractured wrote:You didn't absolve your read on us in 806, where you stated a reason to townread and a reason to scumread us (based mostly on a read conflict and a line Enter has said as scum), even though you were telling people you wanted to sell them on voting us, but you didn't follow up on that at all. 486
What changed from this point?
you actually gave scumreads and better townreads that I could vibe with and imagine coming from town in your slot
Part of the stated suspicions on the slot are that the reads are forced, what do you think about
In post 894, Fractured wrote:So I don't understand your points on MS fabricating a townread. Auro/Volxen both don't have a lot of first-hand experience with either head, so why do you expect them to know we WOULD be scum?
You don't evaluate the post links of this hydra that MS made to back-up his townread. 528 631
It's not about Auro/Volxen's meta with you specifically, it's more about what I know of both players. Auro is incredibly insightful and capable as town, and Volxen I've seen go deep into trying to clear one of his pet townreads at the expense of paranoia of two otherwise rather obvtown slots (Auro/CoA) because he was so careful about accidentally town-clearing a potential deepwolf, here. I just can't comfortably grok that they would so casually shelve you as strong-town off what you'd contributed so far. It's an alarmingly bad justification for a townread.
I don't really care about the content of those posts, I care that they suggested you "had no need" to post them. Do you really agree that scum!you wouldn't feel bothered to give some better town-looking reads at that point?
I see your point.
@MS
, you townread us but you haven't directly engaged with us, why?
To your question; since I'd work to cultivate a strong townread by that point
(around 600 posts)
regardless of my alignment, I can't say I would be bothered to make townreads.
The confidence in
my (Taly's)
townreads and scumreads have faded a little, I'm worried I've townread scum, but I don't see the scum-motivation for
In post 894, Fractured wrote:The bolded is an assumption MS had planned to townread us prior to that post, off what basis?
Because MS isn't paranoid enough over our slot?
yes.
Then why back off your push on us if you think paranoia is valid? I get your points on the
MS
read, but it feels disingenuous to push him off his stance on us if you agree with that.
Spoiler: @mbaki
mbaki
,
Enter
feels more strongly on scum-you and I want discuss this more with him, but my suspicion of you stems from voting multiple people but no clear intention of resolving your scumreads. You're going with any narrative that you can push as scum, and your early posts of evading engagement with this hydra reminds me of the game we played together last year where you danced around topics and voiced opinions at whim.
Whether this is NAI or not, I'm unsure. I don't have enough experience with you to make any meta-case but that's the sum of my hangup and I trust my other head's judgment.
Spoiler: @Vars
Varsoon
- Why haven't you moved your vote around if you're not feeling strongly about any of the current wagons?
Scum-
Vars
would be working more toward shifting the game narrative I feel... I've hydra'd with him and played with him since 2015, and while he's much lower energy this game, there's virtually no point to him baiting votes or suspicion. It feels off that he doesn't respond to this, but it doesn't ring as AI because of his personality.
Spoiler: @Parm
Parm
, a lot of people are iffy with
Parm
and even though I agree with
Enter
, I want a better look here.
1)
I've stated my reasons for
Varsoon
scum, do you disagree?
2)
Also, why is it odd for both heads of this hydra to townread you? You haven't directly challenged us on this or really countered the wagon on you either.
Will get to
Johnny/Alonzo/Lovebird
more later when I have more time and can speak with
Enter
.
Plan to ISO dive and group people, I don't want to delve into associatives but they've been mentioned and I'm working to do anything to help my thought process here.
Nobody seems to be on the same wavelength in this game and while
RC/Ankamius/Mastina/Varsoon
have a well-cultivated idea of my playstyle and personality, none of them agree in sorting or engagement with this slot.
I also think
Enter/Me
need more time playing and discussing things to gel a bit better, and most people can tell us apart with our posts, so I'm going to be very forward and give people tools to read this hydra.
and I shared a perfect scum victory, the game we've both mentioned by this point.
Disclaimer on Meta:
This is a hydra, so my posting style is not quite the same even with my usual posting pattern.
p-edit
Varsoon wrote:Welp, I think I just ate a ban.
Have fun, guys.
Sorry for being a piece of shit.
D: Can you respond to my post quickly, maybe?
<3
I like playing with you
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:31 am
by Michael Scott
In post 1475, Fractured wrote:@MS, you townread us but you haven't directly engaged with us, why?
Haven't been in the game, for the most part.
I'll focus here more, and if I'm not able to get myself to, I'll replace.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:39 am
by mbaki
In post 1475, Fractured wrote:voting multiple people but no clear intention of resolving your scumreads.
I think I've been very clear I dont really have scum reads that I'm confident on, and you've seen my xcum game so you know I have no problem faking scum reads. maybe dont town read for that but it shouldn't be scummy to you either.
In post 1041, JohnnyEnglish wrote:Both mbaki and Michael Scott are playing in approaches and manners that move the game forward.
In contrast, Alonzo is playing in a manner that moves the game backward.
I can't surmise how you can land on a townread on Alonzo for "genuine game-solving" when Michael Scott is in fact a much better example for the same reason.
I think Fractured is a pretty easy read for town and it's odd how, if I follow, you scumread Michael Scott for obtaining the obvious and likely correct read.
I don't see anything of merit from Alonzo.
like all of these claims should be of interest to you, Fractured, Alonzo, and myself
Alonzo's ISO at least to that point was a lot of filler. You quoted these posts of his: 206, 470, 490, 701 as appearing towny, but I fail to see it that way. I don't see his posts as "geniunely game-solvey" at least until that point, and I agree with Johnny English's assessment of it.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:59 am
by Alonzo
Can you point out people with genuinely solvey isos plz?
are our interactions going the same way they did in our last completed game
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:13 am
by Michael Scott
In post 1484, RadiantCowbells wrote:Feel free to lynch me to prove my Brigitte case isn't exaggerated if you actually believe that.
You do these kinda pushes on purpose / to reaction test and stuff too.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:14 am
by Michael Scott
In post 1384, RadiantCowbells wrote:brigitte doesn't have a better way of dealing with me in said 'walkbacks' because anything they could say works against the purposes of their current play.
they don't want to lynch me today. lynching me today comes at a price. they want to slowly plant the seed of my mislynch far later in the game in a way that involves others leading the lynch on me, not them.
you're fucking high if you think that brigitte says something as stupid as 'i townread you but still feel like you are trying to manipulate me' regarding my actions there.
I really feel like whatever she says, you could construe as scummy.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:23 am
by RadiantCowbells
Vote me then
Can we actually gladiate myself and Brigette
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:25 am
by Michael Scott
Any other reasons she's scum apart from her interactions towards you?
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:26 am
by RadiantCowbells
My read on the player is similar to my reads on players such as Titus or NSG even though they are neither.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:27 am
by Michael Scott
VOTE: Brigitte
You better be right.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:27 am
by RadiantCowbells
I'm not able to give more reasons because she is intentionally not playing the game in this thread so I can't have more reasons.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:28 am
by Michael Scott
But you're 100% confident.
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:29 am
by Reality Check
Brigitte hasn't posted in the neighborhood since Saturday
Also, noted
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:30 am
by Reality Check
Brigitte also only has 18 posts in the neighborhood, all of which are responses to me other than announcing her knowledge that we are town at the start of the game
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:33 am
by RadiantCowbells
Also that kind of Gambit claiming their neighbor is town is a very Brigitte thing to do as scum
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 am
by RadiantCowbells
I feel like you're asking if I'm faking a scumread on you
Which doesn't make sense because I'm not scumreading you
But it's 