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In post 1464, Jingle wrote:Full disclosure, I have no idea why we lynched grapes.

he made some pretty bad posts p much

don't worry about it we're getting alisae to l-3

last scum is in here

In post 1432, northsidegal wrote:Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald(18), Dannflor(155), Karmeleon(33)

In post 1421, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1407, Vedith wrote:Probably Scum buddy trying to cover for another.

nah I hard bus my scum buddies \o/

I can guarantee this is true, having played scum with him before as well as playing town against him as scum.

If Dannflor leads on scum, Dannflor is scum.

I do need you to post more because I still don't like your posts.

In post 1464, Jingle wrote:Full disclosure, I have no idea why we lynched grapes.

Even before I caught up with the game, I would have lynched him just for #1353.

In this post he:

- Forces an awkward transition from Buj to Eagle

- Gives unsubstantiated town reads to three of the people pushing him

- Ignores the worst vote on his own wagon

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Side note: If anyone still didn't think Jingle was obv town the above post should convince you. Scum would be milking all the town cred they could get out of being on their buddy's wagon, especially considering this game has 3 scum and one of them dropped Day 1. Scums are in a bad spot. If a scum bussed here (which I think is possible), they did so to set themselves up in a better position later. Jingle is actively working against this scum win condition.

In post 1477, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:If Dannflor leads on scum, Dannflor is scum.

I've lead lynches on scum more than once as town.

What is the worst vote on grapes' wagon, you might ask? I'll give you a hint, it's not Clemency's.

In post 1336, Shoshin wrote:Okay, I looked through some of Grapes games. I understand the wagon now.

VOTE: Grapes

No one mentioned grapes' meta as a reason for the wagon if I remember correctly. Why would his meta then help Shoshin understand the wagon if no one stated it as a reason for voting? This is a manufactured reason to jump on the wagon while trying to look smooth. It's important she doesn't look too awkward doing this especially because she's late on the wagon.

In post 1353, grapes wrote:This happens like every game feels like; starting to wonder if it's me. :p
Anyway I rushed a little bit but I'm pretty up to speed now.

Jingle at least trying to dig that far into eagle's vedith tunnel isn't something you see from scum too much[glad he did because it really brought to light how contrived it turned out to be in spots like; nitpick the read. Why are you holding vedith of all people to this impossibly high standard where everything they're doing needs to be 100% telegraphed?

eagles also the worst vote on my wagon ; runner up is ali



Rei is town.
Prince is town.

shoshin... meh? gotta be honest this read is up and down every other page feels like and id almost flip it for that reason alone

VOTE: eagle

Then we have this. Flailing town reads on Rei and Prince in a desperate attempt to pocket and survive and a weird read on Jingle that's mostly just there so he can propel himself onto Eagle and look like he's doing something.

Null reads from scum are most likely to be other scums in my experience. This instance is especially weird because he says he'd almost like to flip the Shoshin slot right before voting somewhere else.

In post 608, grapes wrote:

In post 575, Shoshin wrote:

In post 560, DoubtingThomas wrote:Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus

What do you think of this, Grapes?

mmm

pretty horrible

but who in the entire universe CAN'T you snipquote really

In post 610, grapes wrote:Like idunno call me crazy I'm starting to agree with ved on this

can kinda just feel the dislike on both ends

let's kill that quick; let's all love eachother and have funs playing the mafias

Earlier associations are pretty bad too. Grapes goes from shading Shoshin randomly to quickle sheeping Vedith on calling DT vs. Shoshin TvT. Yucky.

If there was a bus on grapes, Shoshin is most likely it.

Alisae is possible as well, but I town read the entire rest of the wagon. Which is a pretty solid fucking town block.

In post 1476, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:last scum is in here

In post 1432, northsidegal wrote:Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald(18), Dannflor(155), Karmeleon(33)

You don't think Vedith is possible at all anymore?

I keep going back and forth on Vedith. I was prepared to have him in my solve but I keep wavering every time I go back over his ISO.

From what I know about scum!Vedith, he's not scared of open wolfing and hard defending a scum buddy Day 1 or interfering with the lynch. He doesn't do that here so much, but I do find posts like "Someone go over the Grapes wagon for me." pretty bad and how I would expect Vedith to approach his buddy being wagoned so quickly. That phrase is like the classic way to give yourself a way onto the wagon by putting the onus entirely on someone else, and at the same time hopefully slowing it down a bit. I'd also expect town!Vedith to be more critical of #1353, but maybe he's just caught in the Buj tunnel?

If Alisae is scum, I think Vedith scum becomes more likely because of this:

In post 615, Vedith wrote:Alisae Scum on a BuJ scum flip.

Mostly down to the fact that I town read Buj pretty strongly, and his interactions with Alisae in this part of the game don't read genuine to me. Reads as Vedith setting Alisae up as a town read after he gets a mislynch on Buj.

On the other hand, I find Vedith's whole play style and the way he's been poking people in this game specifically fairly proactive and towny. I do think Vedith is a strong scum player though so I have some general paranoia towards him. When it's not 2am I'll maybe go over his ISO again and try to figure out if I my town vibes from him are concrete or not.

So...

Jingle is town.
Eagle is town.
Rei is town.
Prince is town.

Buj is probably town.
Clemency is probably town.
Lycan is probably town.

DrDoLittle might be town.

Vedith ??? (I'm determined to read him accurately this game)

Alisae might be scum.
Shoshin might be scum.

Xtoxm oh yea he exists who knows

Gamma doesn't exist he could be scum if I'm wrong elsewhere
Karmeleon exists I guess
mcqueen idk

I guess ideally we lynch Alisae, if she flips town we go > Shoshin, if she flips scum we go > Vedith.

Shoshin and Alisae aren't scum together don't think

Doubt there's many/any people who would agree with that plan though.

In post 1449, Alisae wrote:I'll memelynch myself day 3 but I'm sheeping Prince until he dies.

In post 1467, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Lycan
tbh now that I think about it I think they think that their hammer was scummy and its lolcatty but I'm bad at mafia so please ignore me

I thought you were sheeping Prince, what's up?

What makes the hammer scummy? Does it read manufactured to you?

Why are you so unconfident here?

Not gonna vote yet until I've nailed down a few more of my reads with greater certainty and until the day progresses a bit. (Also sleeping after reading this whole game in one sitting might help me sort somethings out)

Vedith, who is scum with Buj? You kinda reactively called me a buddy to him despite the fact you town read DT before hand. If Alisae flips scum does that make Buj more likely scum to you? What do you think of other players? omg wait ACTUALLY can I get a rainbow reads list plz and ty?

Rest in shit alisae

Jingle, reasoning on DDL?

sorry for spamming guys I sleep now

I like you Dannflor, so I'm going to be honest with you.

I don't like it when people don't like me and I can be a bit spineless at times. Most of the time, probably.

I still think the last group of scum is probably in (Vedith/Alisae/Shoshin/Clem/Gamma)

Two of those names I won't say out loud for fear of getting attacked openly for my reads, though, so don't tell anyone else this is what I'm thinking.

In post 1481, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1476, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:last scum is in here

In post 1432, northsidegal wrote:Not Voting (3): Gamma Emerald(18), Dannflor(155), Karmeleon(33)

You don't think Vedith is possible at all anymore?

I said this because I was concerned you were scum but now I think you're not so I don't agree with that post anymore.

I feel really comfortable saying the last two are in here: Vedith/Alisae/Shoshin/Clem/Gamma

Raise your hand if you disagree

\o/

In post 1485, Dannflor wrote:Vedith, who is scum with Buj? You kinda reactively called me a buddy to him despite the fact you town read DT before hand. If Alisae flips scum does that make Buj more likely scum to you? What do you think of other players? omg wait ACTUALLY can I get a rainbow reads list plz and ty?

I don't know.
I have town reads, people that I feel I should just ignore reads and not many Scum reads.
No rainbow read for you yet! Although I'll be sure to give one before day ends

I don't know If I agree completely but there's enough shady people in that list for it to be a good starting point.
There's a lot of people in your town PoE pool, and I don't know why you changed your mind on the non-voters. High chance of last scum within them imo.

VOTE: Alisae

Have I been doused?

In post 1438, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:I must praise whoever the doctor is in this game.
Wonderful job so far.

or maybe the roleblocker stopped scum from killing.

In post 1440, Alisae wrote:okay what are we lynching next?

The mirror has the answer.

In post 1457, Prince of Renais wrote:Don't bring anyone past L-3 before I'm back

Too late.

In post 1469, DrDolittle wrote:Anyways I'm voting from folks off the grapes wagon today. Hammer came too fast and I think scum could possibly hope for wiggling out of getting grapes lynched

You're gonna get comeback stomped.

In post 1477, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:If Dannflor leads on scum, Dannflor is scum.

DoubtingThomas was pretty town.

In post 1498, Karmeleon wrote:

In post 1477, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:If Dannflor leads on scum, Dannflor is scum.

DoubtingThomas was pretty town.

Agree.
Dannflor is also pretty town.