Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[pinturicchio]

I don't ever see a world where Wisdom CC here with 4 potential night kills if lying.

I thought the same, but here we are! I think Wisdom is trying to reduce town's power 'cause he has a team behind him and as fast as the town numbers get lowered, his scumteam wins. So what scares me if that, if I get mislynched, his scumteam has the chance to win overnight if the scum factions fail to crosskill. Or even worse, if Wisdom is lynched tomorrow after my lynch, they still win with the correct shots.

I could ask why would use a unique card role when I could use a safe one as scum too. Why risking myself if I wasn't being scumread by anyone and I have a cool role that can be soft confirmed by reading A50, Alch and my ISO?

[Irrelephant11]

Pretty sure Cult know about each other yeah

[davesaz]

I'm leaning toward Wisdom scum.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Pretty sure Cult know about each other yeah

in my homesite, the very few times it has come up, they havent.

@host Do cultists know other cultists?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Pintu

Good point about cultists

[pinturicchio]

I'll stick to the idea of less nightkills because the mafia team had a one shot vig and because I protected Rely, who could've been targeted by a player afraid of Rely's Judas claim. I think it was DT who pointed out Rely being scummy yesterday so that's a name to look at.

[Micc]

If I protect a bodyguard and the bodyguard protects me, are we immune to nightkills? Or at least at one directed nightkill?

If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Doctor is targeted with a nightkill, then the Bodyguard would die.
If a Doctor and a Bodyguard protect each other and the Bodyguard is targeted with a nightkill, then neither would die.

Thanks! There goes my plan to run into the woods with Kevin Costner

What if another doctor protects the OG doctor? Does it still trigger the Bodyguard?

The Bodyguard would not die in this example.

@host Do cultists know other cultists?

Cult aligned players don’t get factional communication, so they would be unaware of other Cult aligned players.

[Irrelephant11]

I'll stick to the idea of less nightkills because the mafia team had a one shot vig and because I protected Rely, who could've been targeted by a player afraid of Rely's Judas claim. I think it was DT who pointed out Rely being scummy yesterday so that's a name to look at.

Why would scum shoot me for a Judas claim?
Oh actually if they thought I was Judas-aligned it would make sense for Werewolves or something to shoot me just in case I guess, to avoid me intentionally getting lynched when Mafia was near a win

Hm
Why did you protect me?

[pinturicchio]

I didn't meant afraid. I don't know the word, but I meant that the mafiateam would want to recruit Rely, who claimed to use Judas as alignment but could have used it as role, or the other way around, I can't remember how Judas works, it's a pain in the ass.

But by killing me, a claimed doctor (and I hinted that I was doctor plenty of times and I assume Wisdom knew it, since he counterclaimed seconds after I claimed so I think he was waiting for it), they can try to kill Rely and recruit him and win by outnumbering the rest of the scum factions.

[pinturicchio]

I'll stick to the idea of less nightkills because the mafia team had a one shot vig and because I protected Rely, who could've been targeted by a player afraid of Rely's Judas claim. I think it was DT who pointed out Rely being scummy yesterday so that's a name to look at.

Why would scum shoot me for a Judas claim?
Oh actually if they thought I was Judas-aligned it would make sense for Werewolves or something to shoot me just in case I guess, to avoid me intentionally getting lynched when Mafia was near a win

Hm
Why did you protect me?

I protected you 'cause in case the mafia team tried to recruit you.

[Vedith]

Judas can't be recruited without a lynch though?

[pinturicchio]

Judas can't be recruited without a lynch though?

I'm pretty sure it says in the wiki that it works with any kind of kill. The kill won't go through and Judas will turn into mafia

[Wisdom]

no idea what pint is talking about, i didnt even remember there was another mason until it was mentioned

[pinturicchio]

From the Wiki:

A Judas is originally a pro-town role, but when it should die (either by lynch or other kill) it stays alive and converts to the Mafia's side instead

[Vedith]

Ah okay I see.
I think I believe Pintu.

[pinturicchio]

no idea what pint is talking about, i didnt even remember there was another mason until it was mentioned

What are you refering to? I said you realized I was a doctor.

[Vedith]

Pintu do you have the posts where the other masons put about you?

[Wisdom]

nope wasnt paying attention

[pinturicchio]

Pintu do you have the posts where the other masons put about you?

I'm exactly working on that, give me a minute

[Vedith]

EoP 9, and I'm TRing Alch, pintu & Sakura (yeah I know it's weird).

That's something...

[pinturicchio]

Alch picked town again, yay for us!

This was on my first post of this game. I didn't talk about Allo 'cause we were planning to make Allo our hidden Mason if anyone would have to claim for being pushed, in order to protect him of being killed. A50 didn't read that and claimed Mason to drag the nightkill that's why I protected him over Alch.

You’re vote felt way too weak to be OMGUS. I honestly don’t know what you expected to accomplish with your vote.

Scum on you. Scumlean Brass. Dave’s probTown. Pint I’m sure is Town.

This was the first post Alch made about overall reads; he pushed some players before, called scum others, but never talked about townreads until here. The "I'm sure is town" is a softclaim.

EoP 9, and I'm TRing Alch, pintu & Sakura (yeah I know it's weird).

And if I skimmed correctly, this was the first time A50 talked about reads too. He townreads both Alch and me with the "I know it's weird" as a softclaim.

[pinturicchio]

"TTTT - not mafia but could be 3p
Vedith - pure null
Jingle - pure null
DoubtingThomas - lack of activity and presence makes me think he's not town
Gamma Emerald - pure null, sitewide lack of activity
TemporalLich - possible Elsa's partner
Blooper - lack of activity
JunkoChan - possible Elsa's partner
Chemist1422 - lack of activity

Those are my standings right now. The rest of the list is above null"

I wrote that before the four nightkills. Nothing has changed too much, other than Gamma's lack of activity is now concerning, Jingle is dead and Blooper was replaced.

Also Junko's read wasn't mine and I think Wisdom has been townie.

Also, this readlist I posted it on our Mason thread on D1; the bolded is another proof I've been hinting masons. This could be disregarded because it was after Alch and A50's flip, but eh. I'll post some thoughts posted of our mason thread now since I'm already outed.

[Vedith]

Yeah it matches up.

So we know that Pintu isn't mafia
We know if Wisdom is cult then he doesn't know the other cult and doesn't pull this tactic.

I also don't remember seeing Wisdom ever sacrifice themself for their team. So it's hard to believe factional too.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Then what is wisdom as Pint is either very good at setting up a fakeclaim or is legit?

[Wisdom]

ive never faked cc nor will i ever

if im ccing its because i have what im ccing