The Trials - ENDGAME

[Noraa]

I wasn't the one that asked about inconsistent play. someone else asked me and I answered. why is it important?

It's important because I want to understand what point you were trying to make. I know you weren't the one who asked. You answered. You made a statement about inconsistent play and I want to know what that looks like to you.

I see zero solving from u.

That's fine, I really don't feel like I'm in the witness box being questioned by you. You've demonstrated your own inability here and if you don't see the scumhunting, sorting, and solving that I've clearly been doing since the moment I replaced in, I don't see the value in pointing it out especially considering the fact that you're going to death tunnel me until I die or Taylor tells you to stop. I won't change your mind, and frankly, I don't need to.

I do want an answer about what inconsistent play is to you.

I don't want to answer just bc

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

[Noraa]

Noraa: I'm just gonna do what Taylor says, I'm not actually going to read anyone myself
Also Noraa: Omg Glitch is scum because he isn't reading me

Might policy lynch this tbh

I would get behind that before I would get on a Titus wagon.

Not as policy. But as scum. Noraa comes off as scum trying to mimic and seduce at once someone she knows is town.

VOTE: Noraa

I'm trying to sort between whether I'm SRing her slot, want to PL her slot, or if I'm just feeling like voting for her because I feel OMGUSy and she's ruffled my feathers just a bit. Maybe I'll vote her because of all the things put together. Let me finish out the evaluation of TS and then I'll come back around to this.

Would scumNoraa treat TS this way?

lmao way to backtrack before u even drop a vote. Glitch is scum confirmed.

[Glitch]

this isnt noraa's scumgame. i know you arent trying to pocket me because ive experienced that and it was different. again,

i dont want to reveal too much about exactly what tells gave noraa away as town.

Why would you

not

want to give us information from your personal experience to help us sort Noraa as town? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the town to help us understand why Noraa is town?

no because i dont think noraa is aware of these tells.

Why does that matter? Shouldn't you share anyway so we can sort her? Why would talking about them be anti-town?

[Glitch]

The way some people jump on me is very unnatural :/

What specific posts are unnatural?

[Glitch]

or rather yes, im sure it would be good for town right now, but i dont want noraa to know what her tells are.

Sorry I should have read this before posting 1477 but still I don't get why Noraa knowing her town tells is anti town. If she is town in your opinion then you have nothing to lose. If she is scum do you think she could pull off performing those tells from here on?

[Tayl0r Swift]

or rather yes, im sure it would be good for town right now, but i dont want noraa to know what her tells are.

Sorry I should have read this before posting 1477 but still I don't get why Noraa knowing her town tells is anti town. If she is town in your opinion then you have nothing to lose. If she is scum do you think she could pull off performing those tells from here on?

yeah i think she could. i have nothing to lose here in this game, but in the long run i might. afaik its standard practice to keep tells to yourself if theyre tells specific to a person that have proven reliable.

[Noraa]

HMPH
remember this day >:(
this day = Noraa mad = WAR

[Glitch]

i mean i agree, and i wish marashu would post more. but have you done a metadive to see if being lurky is AI for marashu? i feel like your push on marashu is IIOA: youre telling us hes lurky but not why that makes him scum.

This is a blatant misrep. Titus clearly explains why being lurky is advantageous to scum in a game where you, a prestigious player here, voice opposition to voting for lurkers:

The longer you let this continue, the longer you tell scum that efforting means getting lynched.

titus is in favor of pushing one particular lurker today, but not all of them. titus didnt join me in pushing a different lurker earlier. titus is not explaining what makes one lurker worthy of a vote while another isnt.

Fair point that Titus wouldn't push other lurking slots. I won't defend Titus on every point. But that doesn't negate that you still misrepresented her by saying she had not explained her SR on Marashu when in fact she clearly had, whether her argument is a valid one or not.

[Glitch]

So... i basically skimmed through the thread, not much of importance happened? Anyways pretty sure glitch is town for the nos vote

Huh?

Specifically asking about the glitch is town for the nos vote statement.

Basically, i don't think voting nosferatu makes sense as a vote for Glitch, i don't see this as a bus, and why would you try to start a brand new wagon if you were in scum!glitch's PoV

ping
1261 is so IIoA + an easy read that when clarified doesn't make that much sense. I want to see more effort from Gypyx.

Gypyx, why is it not scummy for me to start a brand new wagon? Can you give us some reads list or solve or something to help us gauge where you're at?

Because i think this wagon is on scum, and even if it isn't, it seems pretty conterproductive to me to build a counterwagon from scratch when you have safer options avablible

You mind if i make my read lists tommorow? (Like in 6-7 hours)

NP I'm not the dictator here, lol. Fair response.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean i agree, and i wish marashu would post more. but have you done a metadive to see if being lurky is AI for marashu? i feel like your push on marashu is IIOA: youre telling us hes lurky but not why that makes him scum.

This is a blatant misrep. Titus clearly explains why being lurky is advantageous to scum in a game where you, a prestigious player here, voice opposition to voting for lurkers:

The longer you let this continue, the longer you tell scum that efforting means getting lynched.

titus is in favor of pushing one particular lurker today, but not all of them. titus didnt join me in pushing a different lurker earlier. titus is not explaining what makes one lurker worthy of a vote while another isnt.

Fair point that Titus wouldn't push other lurking slots. I won't defend Titus on every point. But that doesn't negate that you still misrepresented her by saying she had not explained her SR on Marashu when in fact she clearly had, whether her argument is a valid one or not.

can you explain her argument to me then? because i dont get it.

[Glitch]

im happy to consider titus' supposed argument. she just hasnt presented one.

VOTE: Taylor Swift
If you can't see Titus's arguments as clear as they have been I just really believe you're making a stretch only scum would. It's believable enough to have a bad reason to vote for a townie slot. But it's not so wild and out there that you can't pull it off.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im happy to consider titus' supposed argument. she just hasnt presented one.

VOTE: Taylor Swift
If you can't see Titus's arguments as clear as they have been I just really believe you're making a stretch only scum would. It's believable enough to have a bad reason to vote for a townie slot. But it's not so wild and out there that you can't pull it off.

huh? im not the only one who hasnt understood her argument. can you explain it?

[Glitch]

why the defeatism?

I am old enough to have seen this pattern play out before.

People won't see Mara avoiding the thread as scummy. They need more content. So he continues avoiding the thread, knowing he'll get defended for it. He won't be providing content anytime soon.

When "lurker" slots show up, like Eddie and Nos, they get wagoned for showing up. So why would Mara? It's anti-scum for him to show.

I highlight this pattern. I get scumread. There's been enough focus on me/nos/dgb which is the real townblock this game.

I can't carry a town that punishes effort.

This makes so much sense and makes me SR Taylor all the more as the primary voice relieving the pressure for scum to contribute.

so youre saying titus literally gives up and stops continuing, and you instead say that im giving people a pass?

my solve is {nos, titus, glitch}

Town losing steam, growing weary, and getting burnt out is a real thing. Scum don't do it as easily because it's part of their wincon to deceive and push through being SR'd. As scum you know you're being SR'd because you're actually scum. As town it can be really frustrating to play hard and be met with massive pushback and/or rejection. When you say, "Titus literally gives up and stops continuing," in a way that throws a little shade, I see that as a town tell that I relate to and understand. I don't get that way as scum. I push through and keep up appearances.

Why would I immediately vote my low efforting, lurking scum partner immediately upon replacing in?
My solve is {TS + Noraa + ???}

[Glitch]

Noraa is meta'ing herself and no one cares.

hmm DGB clinging onto this SR on me that glitch omgused is interesting. glitch immediately accepting Taylor and fidgets terrible reasoning and not pushing me anymore is strange as well.
The scum team is {DGB, Glitch, and one other mystery person}

What post did I stop pushing you in?

[Nosferatu]

Taylors not fake >:(

Sorry but she still goes woah is me and cries anytime I ask why Mara shouldn't be sorted. She never gives a reason. She's now trying to accuse me of being scum to avoid the very problems she's created.

Attacking others instead of taking responsibility for or trying to correct problems is fake.

perfectly describes how awesome and bomb town!Taylor is

@Taylor

- Does it not bother you how much this girl bows down to you? That doesn't make you question your TR of her?

someone didnt listen to folklore

[Tayl0r Swift]

why the defeatism?

I am old enough to have seen this pattern play out before.

People won't see Mara avoiding the thread as scummy. They need more content. So he continues avoiding the thread, knowing he'll get defended for it. He won't be providing content anytime soon.

When "lurker" slots show up, like Eddie and Nos, they get wagoned for showing up. So why would Mara? It's anti-scum for him to show.

I highlight this pattern. I get scumread. There's been enough focus on me/nos/dgb which is the real townblock this game.

I can't carry a town that punishes effort.

This makes so much sense and makes me SR Taylor all the more as the primary voice relieving the pressure for scum to contribute.

so youre saying titus literally gives up and stops continuing, and you instead say that im giving people a pass?

my solve is {nos, titus, glitch}

Town losing steam, growing weary, and getting burnt out is a real thing. Scum don't do it as easily because it's part of their wincon to deceive and push through being SR'd. As scum you know you're being SR'd because you're actually scum. As town it can be really frustrating to play hard and be met with massive pushback and/or rejection. When you say, "Titus literally gives up and stops continuing," in a way that throws a little shade, I see that as a town tell that I relate to and understand. I don't get that way as scum. I push through and keep up appearances.

Why would I immediately vote my low efforting, lurking scum partner immediately upon replacing in?
My solve is {TS + Noraa + ???}

well because no one else was voting there but a few people saw the slot as scummy, and you were a widely scumread. a distancing vote early helped you turn around the read people had on you. it was low risk and high reward.

[Glitch]

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.

[Glitch]

or rather yes, im sure it would be good for town right now, but i dont want noraa to know what her tells are.

Sorry I should have read this before posting 1477 but still I don't get why Noraa knowing her town tells is anti town. If she is town in your opinion then you have nothing to lose. If she is scum do you think she could pull off performing those tells from here on?

yeah i think she could. i have nothing to lose here in this game, but in the long run i might. afaik its standard practice to keep tells to yourself if theyre tells specific to a person that have proven reliable.

While I wouldn't personally do that I can understand your point and respect your decision not to share them. I won't hold that against you as scum points.

[Noraa]

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.

lel so ur nos SR just disappeared down the drain and in like two seconds got replaced by Taylor and Noraa?

[Glitch]

Taylors not fake >:(

Sorry but she still goes woah is me and cries anytime I ask why Mara shouldn't be sorted. She never gives a reason. She's now trying to accuse me of being scum to avoid the very problems she's created.

Attacking others instead of taking responsibility for or trying to correct problems is fake.

perfectly describes how awesome and bomb town!Taylor is

@Taylor

- Does it not bother you how much this girl bows down to you? That doesn't make you question your TR of her?

someone didnt listen to folklore

I don't understand this post

[Noraa]

Ur SR on Nos had basically no reasons to back it up to

[Glitch]

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.

lel so ur nos SR just disappeared down the drain and in like two seconds got replaced by Taylor and Noraa?

Yes.

[Nosferatu]

Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.

If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.

I'm pretty sure I'm 0/2 for mislynching Taylor so I won't start there. She's super hard for me to sort. I always tend to SR her and be wrong so I'm laying off that one for now. But your lockdown is based on something that sounds really weak. "She didn't pocket me?" That's such a bad argument. I just don't think it's AI.

Let's start here. VOTE: Nosferatu

yes fully explained

[Noraa]

Wow I love the explanation so much! So detailed. It was literally "I always read Taylor wrong so lets just vote nos"

[Glitch]

im happy to consider titus' supposed argument. she just hasnt presented one.

VOTE: Taylor Swift
If you can't see Titus's arguments as clear as they have been I just really believe you're making a stretch only scum would. It's believable enough to have a bad reason to vote for a townie slot. But it's not so wild and out there that you can't pull it off.

huh? im not the only one who hasnt understood her argument. can you explain it?

Her argument basically says:

If we take pressure off of lurkers, it discourages scum from creating content. Therefore we should push lurkers. Then she pushed a lurker and you said she did it without valid reason. She had already explained it.