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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:58 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1474, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1472, Flavor Leaf wrote:Just waiting for Bob to show up before we full send a wagon really. Want to make sure he talks before
So if Taylor is scum, Gamma can be a partner, which coincides when Gamma tried moving off of Taylor onto Battle Mage.
Coincidentally, this also fits in with my original theory of Gamma, Mini, Battle Mage having scum in them, but Mini is pulled out from this, and I’m not sitting with this completely, but Gamma/Taylor have extreme partner associations as of right now.

If either of them flipped scum, then I’d probably go the other.

@Taylor - would you be willing to go Gamma today?

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:59 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
VOTE: gamma

not really but i guess i have to keep up appearances

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:00 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
worst case scenario i'm projecting we are lylo D5 with 2 conf town 2 sus-town 50/50 shot of winning

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:01 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
cuz bob can definitely find the one with the gun.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:05 pm
by Flavor Leaf
We just can’t risk it or we open up our chances to losing.

I’m doing the highest in the bare minimum effort.

What if Taylor is the scum Goon? Then this plan works effortlessly, and if we hit 1 scum, we win basically.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:06 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Like Night 3, I’m shooting Taylor if this isn’t resolved, let’s just resolve it?

It also forces scum to potentially try and save ScumTaylor if she is that slot, and then Mini gets an accurate result on you, or whoever ends up being their preannounced target.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:07 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1477, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:worst case scenario i'm projecting we are lylo D5 with 2 conf town 2 sus-town 50/50 shot of winning
Yep. That is worst case scenario, and that’s if we suck with Day play.

Safe Night Play in this situation is 100% better than taking the risk to try and get a sneaky catch.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:11 pm
by Flavor Leaf
We essentially use our Night play as Day Play from this point on, so all town are on the exact same page, and we do our best at clearing as many as we can. If we hit scum today by fading in the 5, we auto win based on Taylor getting a clear.

One clear at this point, wins us the game, we need to maximize it. The plan with the 1 of 3 for Taylor is the best way of maximizing the actions because it’s the most likely for us to get a clear and not have any overlaps in action, but still make scum outguess.

The only outlier in that scenario, is if Mini targets scum, so maybe we should put Mini on someone we think will flip town, and try to put the remaining in the 1 of 3.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:12 pm
by Flavor Leaf
If Bob hits Taylor for No Gun, and scum doc flips, Taylor become conf town. That’s a town auto win.

If we correctly fade today, that’s an auto win.

If scum are forced to kill Bob or Taylor, that’s an auto win.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:23 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
yea we have a lot of ways to win and pretty much only 1 way to lose which is scum doc survive to end

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:26 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Ydrasse has the potential to get another save as well, which opens up Bob for another gunsmith down the line, so scum essentially have to kill Mini, then Ydrasse, then Bob, and I’ll get to use my N3 big shot 100% of the time, if we even want to use the shot.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:27 pm
by Flavor Leaf
They can risk keeping Ydrasse alive, but that’s a conf townie who can stop kills.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:28 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
it'd be mini, ydra, then you. with 4 player endgame

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:29 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
if they let you live N4 you get a shot on N5 and its guranteed town-win

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:39 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Bob getting another gunsmith check could be clutch then.

Hell, Bob hasn’t even claimed the even night yet, but i just assumed, so i don’t even wanna assume that yet, but yeah, I’m probably N4 death.

Idk if game gets that far without hitting a scum by Day 5, though.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:39 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
theres also no way that they can kill both cops and the vig by night 4 since theyd have to kill the doc to do so. so i think we autowin. so i dont care who we do today, but i kinda wanna do osuka rn. which is different from anyone ive really pushed all game.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:41 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Yeah, Osuka’s probably the partner to whichever of Creature/Gamma is scum.

I naturally town read Battle and Pooky when I’m interacting with them, and Taylor has essentially lost if she is scum.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:41 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
i told you earlier, i concede.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:43 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1492, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i told you earlier, i concede.
It’s been on my mind since then.

Part of me legit thinks scum you quit, then Battle Mage changed minds and went “fuck it, let’s full send”.

So I still wanna believe I am right with BM and TS from earlier. :lol:

And it’s also looking like if they are the team, they’re probably the best pairing to get to that 50/50.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:44 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
thats some quality theater if its actually bm/tswizzle

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:46 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
tswizzle tracks bm to a kill, bm gets yeeted, tswizzle-scum/doc tries to slide in for the win?

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:48 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1470, Flavor Leaf wrote:Taylor trying not to be gunsmithed originally also boosts her likelihood of her not being the Mafia Doctor, by the way.

In addition to the fact that if she is scum, I thought she was the one who got doctored, so I think Bob on Taylor is the play.

We fade in Creature or Gamma.

Mini Investigates Pooky.

Then Taylor tracks within Osuka, Battle Mage, and then Creature/Gamma.

I personally think Battle Mage is okay to be one of the people not taken care of in the beginning.
what
why are you suggesting me/creature be taken out first, when you've been SRing BM?

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:50 pm
by Gamma Emerald
fucking hell Flavor
I'm carrying a shredder with me from now on so if you try to pull out a card indicating you can read me I can shred it on sight. You can't say you can read me if your read flips nigh instantaneously.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:57 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
wait. hang on. if we hit town today, i holster tonight. im for sure not the night kill until night 5 at least i think. so i think i only track when theres 1 scum left.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:59 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
the other advantage of this plan is that the cop can investigate someone suspicious rather than the towniest person for a clear. this is way better. if we lunch town bob on me and cop on ???. if we hit scum then bob on me and cop on tbd with me on ???