In post 1226, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Spartan117, it is brilliant of you, knowing how little time I spend per day on this game, to continue making wall after wall with the expectation that I will respond to it and forget to read the rest of the thread.
In post 1227, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Actually, Spartan117, I am kind of getting why you are scumreading me now. Not that I can do anything about it, though.
oh wow spartan makes a case on and votes quiet in 1319. WTF? what da heck happened to Frederick?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:30 pm
by fairyprincess69
Oops didnt mean to quote those two
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:30 pm
by fferyllt
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:32 pm
by Prism
You're getting coal in the stocking after 2181 I hate to break it to you
Just kidding, you were great
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:36 pm
by flow trap
In post 1474, Prism wrote:You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.
Why?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:43 pm
by flow trap
I'm not even voting Quiet because I suspect them
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:44 pm
by Prism
If I misvote, fundamentally that's on me, but if you don't want to play to win, that's on you. There are ways to prevent your team from making errors and refusing to take them is not conducive to winning games.
P-Edit: No clue what you're even doing, you just said specifically said scumreading Spartan/quiet was why you switched.
I've typed out 3 different posts voting flow trap but I don't think there's any traction on that and this deadline is already enough of a votesplitting shitshow
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:47 pm
by Spartan117
In post 1458, quiet wrote:What I mean by your absence is the read that's been given by a few people now that you are willing to sit back and let other people get elimed without getting your hands dirty.
Ok to start with in 838, I did an evaluation of enchant from my perspective and explained my thoughts on their slot, I felt that their jokey trolly attitude was quite reactive and was benefiting town with the reactions it was obtaining, drawing attention to themselves which is not something i feel mafia would do, especially at that early stage, I then went through the self vote situation and calling themself scum post from a devils advocate perspective on what if they are town, because truly I did not know they were town although I had read them as so previous, it was also entirely possible they were scum and I had just misread them, but with everyone else jumping on the wagon of well enchants obv scum now, I thought well what if hes not and looked at that perspective and thats what you see in 838, I had more intention of posting more on enchant although both times I was active and available at that time I received little to nothing back when I wanted someone active to engage with at the time. I posted 890 during my lunch break at work asking for people to engage with me which I received nothing bar Sal saying to kill flow trap...
My only other post before the lynch was 989 which was right after I had gotten off from work and was trying to skim through what had been happening at that time Enchant only had 3 votes on them, needing 5 with fredrick on 2 and sal on 1 at that time too, and when questioning what was going on and why it was so quiet all i got was an idk from flow trap and maybe its time to end the round, so i had very little to engage with, and had seen how self defeated enchant was, and to be totally honest I did agree with enchants statement that if he was kept alive and we had some other random lynch (who at least wasnt fredrick) then enchant would be kept around for an easy lynch in the last 5 if thats how it played out, I'm not going to say I went out of my way to help them as i was more focused on my scum reads than protecting people, but i felt like I tried to see the possibility of them being town and how that matched my reads.
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:48 pm
by flow trap
I'm taking a defensive route
I meant you shouldn't have a problem with it because I SRed them
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:49 pm
by fairyprincess69
why the everloving hell has spartan completely backed off Frederick who he's been gunning for the whole game
Ftr - prism locktown, quiet solidtown, spartan minor townread, floo slightly less than that. Flow trap and Fred is my scumteam guess lmfao
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:50 pm
by Prism
Spartan is more likely to go through than quiet. How is this defensive, exactly? Do you not want to be on the elim vote?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:50 pm
by flow trap
The fact that I would call out my own scumteam way before the idea of it is preposterous
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:51 pm
by Prism
My point is you need to fight for your votes. It doesn't matter if you're right if you lose the game.
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:52 pm
by flow trap
In post 1487, Prism wrote:Spartan is more likely to go through than quiet. How is this defensive, exactly? Do you not want to be on the elim vote?
Idc if I'm on the Elim vote I vote who I vote
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:53 pm
by fairyprincess69
@prism
i feel at least partially your read on floo is influenced by your attitude towards mafia games, and perhaps of life itself. you love diplomacy, social harmony, emotional intelligence. i think when you're reading floo you're putting yourself in
his
shoes and coming away from it knowing you'd treat Salsa completely different. and that's fine. i just don't think floo has any motive to accomodate salsa's feelings - he scumreads her afterall, and his entire MO in that exchange was provocation for reactions. do you think the difference in philosophy could be skewing your read a bit?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:53 pm
by flow trap
In post 1489, Prism wrote:My point is you need to fight for your votes. It doesn't matter if you're right if you lose the game.
You want me to defend Quiet?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:54 pm
by Spartan117
In post 1475, fairyprincess69 wrote:oh wow spartan makes a case on and votes quiet in 1319. WTF? what da heck happened to Frederick?
Fredrick is my main scum read, but with it seeming like no one else willing to vote him, i felt it pointless to just keep my vote on him and trying to put my vote on quiet to get more of a read from him and apply pressure, i felt it better to move the game along rather than just to have someone i scum read and just leave my vote on them and do nothing. each persons vote is important and its a valuable tool i am getting pretty exhausted by all the content here atm there is so much to try and go through it feels like the complete opposite to the end of d1, i still have at least a few pages from before to go through while also trying to respond to the new content coming out both involving me and also content i feel important to comment on. I am trying my best guys, will keep working nearly 2am here btw
In post 1474, Prism wrote:You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.
Why?
Can we all just vote flow trap out, i have seriously had enough of this, its so counter productive especially at this stage, why is he being town read again, how can he be so maverick he is being town locked...
In post 1474, Prism wrote:You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.
Why?
Can we all just vote flow trap out, i have seriously had enough of this, its so counter productive especially at this stage, why is he being town read again, how can he be so maverick he is being town locked...
Oh, so you can ask why but I can't
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:57 pm
by Spartan117
In post 1486, fairyprincess69 wrote:why the everloving hell has spartan completely backed off Frederick who he's been gunning for the whole game
Not backed off him at all, will vote him in a heartbeat
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:57 pm
by Prism
Part of what makes this so implausible w/ floo is that we have similar backgrounds in chat mafia. The amount of indignant/self-righteous town in chat games is insane and is a huge part of what can make it insufferable to play, it can quickly degrade to ego "I was obviously town you're trash for voting me" slapfights. Mafia quickly learn to do the same. You literally have to play around town doing exactly what Salsabil was doing and worse every other game.
In post 1474, Prism wrote:You need to explain your reads and how you're playing.
Why?
Can we all just vote flow trap out, i have seriously had enough of this, its so counter productive especially at this stage, why is he being town read again, how can he be so maverick he is being town locked...
Oh, so you can ask why but I can't
I dont know if i just misread what was going on, were you refusing to share your reads and saying why should you explain to the group your thoughts on why you are voting people at this late crutial state near the deadline of D2 so we can better understand where you are coming from so as to make better more informed decisions? or did i misunderstand?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:00 pm
by flow trap
In post 1498, Spartan117 wrote:I dont know if i just misread what was going on, were you refusing to share your reads and saying why should you explain to the group your thoughts on why you are voting people at this late crutial state near the deadline of D2 so we can better understand where you are coming from so as to make better more informed decisions? or did i misunderstand?
