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Sup Mena!

-Dumbass

In post 1472, Infinity 324 wrote:That makes even less sense :/

It was pretty clear no other CW was gaining traction, I don't get why gamma makes himself look awful trying to defend murder esp if he's bomb

I agree that MC flipping scum is better for Mena-town possibility than if MC was town (as Gamma's non-AI defense of MC-town would look like Gamma-scum TMI),

but Gamma's defense of MC was early-ish of the MC wagon so not necessarily just throwing himself in front of an inevitable elimination

and Gamma's defense of MC is probably objectively verifiable (e.g., MC gets better as town as the game goes on; MC has been pushed early as town before), which is a good scum argument because it's technically correct, but is a scum argument because it isn't AI for MC in this game

also you were there similarly supporting the anti-MC push--so, if you're town, then Gamma-scum isn't alone protecting MC-buddy

finally Gamma's change on MC is inconsistent with his play towards the MC slot given penguin's Post 1450

In post 1464, catboi wrote:VOTE: Infinity 324

curious why infinity over Mena, who I think are the two initial candidates for today's elim (but not locked in to just these two for today)

@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

I’m not particularly townreading gamma’s slot but I think gc trying to make a gamma wagon possible at eod was kinda suspicious.

- Daenerys

hi mena

In post 1474, Dumb and Dumber wrote:Also @mena i have a p strong townpool and gamma never was townie, so he was p firmly outside of it. And i dislike his interactions with mc/mc's wagon, in that he tried to avoid it for a p long time

Okay, well I can’t answer for gamma and I haven’t read yet but I will

Like I don’t ur logic but I would like to hear more on who is particularly towny and why

Although I’d actually prob rather hear after I read up to see if we sync or not

Hi lili!

Hi auro!

Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

meh I don’t really feel that unless you think dumb & dumber is scum

- Daenerys

like I think there were already several strong candidates for the recruit, so skitter/auro is kind of the only “hardbus” possibility that resulted in viable recruit candidacy.

- Daenerys

In post 1478, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1464, catboi wrote:VOTE: Infinity 324

curious why infinity over Mena, who I think are the two initial candidates for today's elim (but not locked in to just these two for today)

I disliked his progression on murder after a reread.

In post 1483, Menalque wrote:Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

The advancement of the murdercat wagon was so halting that I strongly doubt that, and the only real candidate for a hardbus there is dumb and dumber, who I find independently towny anyway.

In post 1483, Menalque wrote:Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

Echoing lilith - did anyone in particular strike you as being in that position?

-Dumbass

In post 1477, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1472, Infinity 324 wrote:That makes even less sense :/

It was pretty clear no other CW was gaining traction, I don't get why gamma makes himself look awful trying to defend murder esp if he's bomb

I agree that MC flipping scum is better for Mena-town possibility than if MC was town (as Gamma's non-AI defense of MC-town would look like Gamma-scum TMI),

but Gamma's defense of MC was early-ish of the MC wagon so not necessarily just throwing himself in front of an inevitable elimination

and Gamma's defense of MC is probably objectively verifiable (e.g., MC gets better as town as the game goes on; MC has been pushed early as town before), which is a good scum argument because it's technically correct, but is a scum argument because it isn't AI for MC in this game

also you were there similarly supporting the anti-MC push--so, if you're town, then Gamma-scum isn't alone protecting MC-buddy

finally Gamma's change on MC is inconsistent with his play towards the MC slot given penguin's Post 1450

What was gamma's partner doing if gamma was trying to defend murder then? Almost everyone was on either gamma or murder. Yes scum can position themselves differently, but I just don't see the benefit to gamma defending murder so conspicuously there if the plan was to bus.

Also, penguin came to the conclusion that gamma's progression actually made some sense. Gamma's positions don't always make the most sense on the surface, yeah it changed abruptly but he didn't really make an effort to make it look smooth.

I want to look at the people who were shading murder but voting gamma instead, I'm thinking maybe scum felt that gamma would be harder to push as a miselim once murder flipped scum.

In post 1488, Infinity 324 wrote:penguin came to the conclusion that gamma's progression actually made some sense

I missed this--where?

In post 1488, Infinity 324 wrote:What was gamma's partner doing if gamma was trying to defend murder then?

Also are you asking for a gamesolve to suspect Gamma for his interaction re MC?

In post 1447, PenguinPower wrote:but, gamma, i did see that you, gamma, started to shift your, gamma, opinion earlier back than i originally though. And, gamma, you did say that the kitty of murder felt flat, gamma, prior to your townread tirade so, gamma, i guess i'll give you, gamma, the benefit of the doubt and say that your, gamma's, progression there is actually ok.

I'm not asking for a full solve, but your argument makes a lot less sense when you realize there had to be bussing fmpov

VOTE: green crayons

- Daenerys

oh i see. i originally skimmed 1447 as sarcasm because of the repeatedly saying the name "gamma," but i agree with your read of penguin's read

In post 1479, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

Issok, I do that so many times >.> another benefit to the whole zen thing for me personally

-Dumbass

In post 1491, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not asking for a full solve, but your argument makes a lot less sense when you realize there had to be bussing fmpov

I don’t understand this

If both MC and Gamma are scum, then scum got unlucky that town suspected them both on D1

So ofc there’s a strong potential for bus bc that’s where the thread was focused

Right, so one scum is bussing, planning for murder to get limmed (or gamma?)

So why is gamma hard defending murder and making himself look awful?

who was bussing? I don’t think bussing was required?

- Daenerys

In a scum!gamma world, everyone was bussing right? Besides me, everyone was on murder or gamma for most of d1 unless I'm misremembering

In post 1488, Infinity 324 wrote:I want to look at the people who were shading murder but voting gamma instead, I'm thinking maybe scum felt that gamma would be harder to push as a miselim once murder flipped scum.

And where does that lead you? I'd rather we talked about that first, rather than about Gamma.

-Dumbass