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In post 1467, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I don’t feel really strongly about anyone. I’d probably vote titus if I were on my own but SS is townreading her I think.

Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1444, T3 wrote:

We should decide on what to do tonight and get a shot pool

Personal opinion is it should be in Titus/Limit, if Titus gets flipped here and is red then Limit/RCE. If green...I don't know.

-R

why us & RCE if titus flips red?

- lilith

Because I lack townreads on you, mainly. And I think RCE's attempted defense of Titus looks bad if she's scum. Mostly I just want you flipped no matter what, though.

-R

In post 1473, Titus wrote:

In post 1465, T3 wrote:On average scum will only have 1 Jailkeeper and 1 Doctor between them.

T3 is literally announcing what his team has.

You cannot be serious
Math says that scum will have 0.6 jailkeepers and 0.9 docs. Rounding up, you get 1.

And rounding means they have the exact same chance as anyone else of getting just 1.

Don't round, don't try and work out the maths, because we can't get anything conclusive from it.

And Titus, people are not declaring their pots because we're not giving scum any priority targets.

Bad enough we had to claim.

-Flea

Flea. You have a habit of lockscumming town me you are wagoned as town.

In post 1466, Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1461, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:you’re not even up for elim, what motivation do you think I would have for supposedly faking thoughts with “paper thin meta”?

pretending you're town and have thoughts on the game? setting up a push on my slot tomorrow? like what kinda question is this

and yeah, in the past there was a game where i thought you were scum (idk if it was bc you were angry or for something else, i'll check tomorrow if we're both alive) but the thing is, your response to me to my scumread in that game actually felt townie? though i will take a look at that game

-D

surely your impression of my scumgame isn’t so low that you think I would resort to making up bullshit I can’t support with anything?

here’s the series of posts:

I feel like I reacted very similarly in this game. now that I’m reading it, I feel like you’re reacting quite differently.

- lilith

In post 1478, T3 wrote:Flea. You have a habit of lockscumming town me

every time

you are wagoned as town.

Then break the habit of being scummy af and wagoning me for naff reasons?

-F

In post 1477, Fairy Circle wrote:And rounding means they have the exact same chance as anyone else of getting just 1.

Don't round, don't try and work out the maths, because we can't get anything conclusive from it.

And Titus, people are not declaring their pots because we're not giving scum any priority targets.

Bad enough we had to claim.

-Flea

Scum as a group have 0.6 and 0.9 on average.

I'll claim. Hypo and 2 pain potions.

I’m having trouble with getting any sort of read on T3… mostly because I feel like titus started yelling about messing with the vca as if that was scum-motivated and not just like, silly and what I think is NAI. I instinctively want to defend t3 for it but fully realize that this basically has no bearing on his alignment.

pedit: what is a hypo?

- lilith

Harmography, I assume.

I feel less than great about this wagon at the present moment but I committed myself to making the gamer vote shortly before deadline.

VOTE: Titus

If town the thing to do is probably vig the counterwagon and re-evaluate from there.

-R

In post 1479, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 1466, Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1461, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:you’re not even up for elim, what motivation do you think I would have for supposedly faking thoughts with “paper thin meta”?

pretending you're town and have thoughts on the game? setting up a push on my slot tomorrow? like what kinda question is this

and yeah, in the past there was a game where i thought you were scum (idk if it was bc you were angry or for something else, i'll check tomorrow if we're both alive) but the thing is, your response to me to my scumread in that game actually felt townie? though i will take a look at that game

-D

surely your impression of my scumgame isn’t so low that you think I would resort to making up bullshit I can’t support with anything?

here’s the series of posts:

Spoiler:

In post 421, Datisi wrote:

In post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 409, Datisi wrote:in other news, i am still not townreading limit. like, i feel like town!lilith should be obvtown when town, and i am still not feeling it here? like i know yesterday i unvoted them after discussion, but having slept on it i'm not *feeling* it. like, i couldn't point at a single thing and say "this is scummy", it just feels like overall she's struggling to replicate her usual town-self?

?????? ok vote me again then

lilith, do you know what a "nullread" is

In post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 402, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me

this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?

Do you think it is possible that cakes was avoiding interacting with me, maybe hoping that I wouldn’t pay that much attention to him? The lack of interaction in rvs is only one part of that. The lack of response to my vote is a second part of that. When he finally did respond to me, his initial response was defensive (“I do x thing”) and didn’t question my motivation. Then his answer about not finding me suspicious and therefore responding only defensively feels like he made it up after the fact to explain why he hadn’t been treating me with paranoia. Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i mean, sure, it's possible. when you write it out neatly like that, i can agree cakez looks bad. i'm not saying he doesn't. but i already gave you my thoughts - yes i agree he doesn't look great, but i just don't agree with a "scumread" because i do not believe in it. trust me, i am *acutely* aware how big of a hole i'm digging myself into right now in the event that he flips red, which may not be unlikely. but i cannot lie and tell you that i have a scumread on cakez when i just don't.

also i'm in the process of questioning him about it, so. no need to get angry so quickly.

In post 422, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.

- lilith

In post 423, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?

In post 424, Datisi wrote:

In post 422, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.

idk, "?????? ok vote me again then" and "Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?" felt angry to me, but maybe it's me failing basic emotional comprehension again.

In post 423, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?

ehh, not in my mind, though reading back i can kinda see how it could be read like that.

lilith, do you have an opinion on my alignment yet? it's difficult to tell if you're thinking i'm a vi or a cakez-scumbuddy.

I feel like I reacted very similarly in this game. now that I’m reading it, I feel like you’re reacting quite differently.

- lilith

maybe you felt like you can support it. i'm not really interested in discussions such as "i am better/worse at scum than this".

yeah, i'm reacting differently because in that game, at the point where you're quoting, i had already changed my mind on you begin scum, but i was keeping it up because i wanted to see if skitter would defend you or something like that, i don't remember off the top of my head what the reaction test was, should be later on in my iso. that is assuming my reaction really is different, because i myself cannot tell on a skim.

whether you've reacted differently or not requires me to reread that game and this game and then actually think about it, and at this time to deadline and my current state of tiredness, that's not happening in this game day.

-D

This can also prevent wasting pain potioms on slots that will already die anyways.

I am pretty sure we should explicitly not be claiming whether we will individually be shooting or even whether we own pain potions, according to bingle.

- lilith

In post 1486, T3 wrote:

If we all claim whether we have a pain potion or not we can coordinate to shoot in the PoE. We can theoretically kill most of the PoE on night 1 depending on the potion distribution and scum can't counter it.

stop doing this ty

-D

In post 1487, Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1479, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 1466, Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1461, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:you’re not even up for elim, what motivation do you think I would have for supposedly faking thoughts with “paper thin meta”?

pretending you're town and have thoughts on the game? setting up a push on my slot tomorrow? like what kinda question is this

and yeah, in the past there was a game where i thought you were scum (idk if it was bc you were angry or for something else, i'll check tomorrow if we're both alive) but the thing is, your response to me to my scumread in that game actually felt townie? though i will take a look at that game

-D

surely your impression of my scumgame isn’t so low that you think I would resort to making up bullshit I can’t support with anything?

here’s the series of posts:

Spoiler:

In post 421, Datisi wrote:

In post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 409, Datisi wrote:in other news, i am still not townreading limit. like, i feel like town!lilith should be obvtown when town, and i am still not feeling it here? like i know yesterday i unvoted them after discussion, but having slept on it i'm not *feeling* it. like, i couldn't point at a single thing and say "this is scummy", it just feels like overall she's struggling to replicate her usual town-self?

?????? ok vote me again then

lilith, do you know what a "nullread" is

In post 420, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:

In post 402, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:it was a naked vote on dwlee, so I also am very skeptical that this was supposed to be some kind of planned entrance that overshadowed his usual MO of joking with me

this reminds me of something - in a different game, i was playing with a person who i usually always vote and joke around with in rvs. that game, my entrance was a naked vote on another person rather than the usual rvs-joke-vote. later on, we started scumreading each other, and one of his points was that i didn't do my usual rvs-joke. we were both town. so like, i feel like there shouldn't be too much weight put on someone's entrance like this?

Do you think it is possible that cakes was avoiding interacting with me, maybe hoping that I wouldn’t pay that much attention to him? The lack of interaction in rvs is only one part of that. The lack of response to my vote is a second part of that. When he finally did respond to me, his initial response was defensive (“I do x thing”) and didn’t question my motivation. Then his answer about not finding me suspicious and therefore responding only defensively feels like he made it up after the fact to explain why he hadn’t been treating me with paranoia. Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i mean, sure, it's possible. when you write it out neatly like that, i can agree cakez looks bad. i'm not saying he doesn't. but i already gave you my thoughts - yes i agree he doesn't look great, but i just don't agree with a "scumread" because i do not believe in it. trust me, i am *acutely* aware how big of a hole i'm digging myself into right now in the event that he flips red, which may not be unlikely. but i cannot lie and tell you that i have a scumread on cakez when i just don't.

also i'm in the process of questioning him about it, so. no need to get angry so quickly.

In post 422, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.

- lilith

In post 423, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?

In post 424, Datisi wrote:

In post 422, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:confused and frustrated, sure. Where exactly am I being angry? I am legitimately doing my best to not lash out at people in games.

idk, "?????? ok vote me again then" and "Can you give thoughts on all of that instead of one post I made with the specific purpose of picking gamma’s argument apart?" felt angry to me, but maybe it's me failing basic emotional comprehension again.

In post 423, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:“trying to replicate townself” inherently implies someone is scum, no?

ehh, not in my mind, though reading back i can kinda see how it could be read like that.

lilith, do you have an opinion on my alignment yet? it's difficult to tell if you're thinking i'm a vi or a cakez-scumbuddy.

I feel like I reacted very similarly in this game. now that I’m reading it, I feel like you’re reacting quite differently.

- lilith

maybe you felt like you can support it. i'm not really interested in discussions such as "i am better/worse at scum than this".

yeah, i'm reacting differently because in that game, at the point where you're quoting, i had already changed my mind on you begin scum, but i was keeping it up because i wanted to see if skitter would defend you or something like that, i don't remember off the top of my head what the reaction test was, should be later on in my iso. that is assuming my reaction really is different, because i myself cannot tell on a skim.

whether you've reacted differently or not requires me to reread that game and this game and then actually think about it, and at this time to deadline and my current state of tiredness, that's not happening in this game day.

-D

ok

In post 1490, Green Cap Boys wrote:

In post 1486, T3 wrote:

If we all claim whether we have a pain potion or not we can coordinate to shoot in the PoE. We can theoretically kill most of the PoE on night 1 depending on the potion distribution and scum can't counter it.

stop doing this ty

-D

okay then.

In post 1481, T3 wrote:

In post 1477, Fairy Circle wrote:And rounding means they have the exact same chance as anyone else of getting just 1.

Don't round, don't try and work out the maths, because we can't get anything conclusive from it.

And Titus, people are not declaring their pots because we're not giving scum any priority targets.

Bad enough we had to claim.

-Flea

Scum as a group have 0.6 and 0.9 on average.

And you're still rounding.

Do I actually have to generate all the possibilities for you here? Bearing in mind there are values we're not even sure of.

-F

In post 1486, T3 wrote:

If we all claim whether we have a pain potion or not we can coordinate to shoot in the PoE. We can theoretically kill most of the PoE on night 1 depending on the potion distribution and scum can't counter it.

Literally scumclaiming at this point trying to see who they need to poison.

-F

idk I kind of want to vote t3 for this??? is it even possible to surpass titus wagon atp?

- lilith

no because the deadline passed

we should probably be shutting the fuck up but do i ever play this game the way it's supposed to be played

-D

ah poop

It would be impossible to surpass a wagon now that the deadline is expired, yeah. I don't particularly think him wanting to use that strategy, even if dumb, is necessarily scum motivated though. He suggested a mass claim day 1 in mbos 12.

-R