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I do not understand t3 rn

I do not understand what T3 could know that cookie somehow can confirm. But it does seem like an incredibly risky move to do this from a scum perspective.

OH, well.. I though redtea woul be smarter and actually try to shoot a SCUM PR rather than a VT claim. *Sigh*

Like, there were what? Five PR claims/hints? One VT claim, and a pool of exactly 3 players (from my own perspective) to shoot from. If they survive they're no "Main Scum PR" which is a step forward.

Shooting three was.. erm.. not the optimal choice (again, from my own perspective), because he claimed VT already, so he is a VT, a Goon or the Traitor, and none of the three would die to the shot.

My worry here is if three is Traitor he has given his team a big advantage by drawing the COMPLEX VIG shots unto himself for 2 nights. Scum can leave redtea alone until D3 at least (and if they have a Roleblocker it could be D4) and then eliminate him for lack of evidence he is a Vig at all.

Another thought would be three is actually a Mafia PR himself, and they DO have a RB. Same situation really, except -again- if redtea had decided to target someone else in which case he would be "clearing" (I don't see it that way, but it seems most of you do) a real Townie.

Now if I was redtea I'd probably have run some high-risk/high-reward gambit (one that I haven't really thought about well, because I'm not redtea), such as faking having shot X (not three) and depending on the strength of my reads I'd decide who X is. Like, if I suspected Fua I'd have faked the shot there (I didn't suspect Fua, and he's already flipped anyway). That way when time comes to mass claiming and IF Fua claimed PR I'd catch him in a lie.

But anyway, we need to deal with the situation we're in, and I doubt we can do much about anything.

Note that there's a none zero chance the Complex Vig is a purely -ve utility here that was meant to shoot TOWN POWER ROLES, as well as give a false positive on a BP Neighbour.

I have other theories that may include even weirder propositions, but I won't bore you with them.

I think the most informative play -according to available data- is to eliminate Cookie today to verify faer claim for starters, and verify the info they got from T3 is also true. The problem is that would leave T3 out in the open (assuming both he and Cookie are Town) and said info could be lost overnight.

Anyway, this is a filler post. Lots of talk and no real substance, but it should serve as an eye opener at some point.

I should've just said I have nothing to day!!

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In post 1470, redtea wrote:@t3 while theres almost guaranteed scum in a 3person neighborhood, I really dont think thats the case if its a 2person one?
Also did you mean, like, an actual s/s neighbourhood? this should be only 1 faction mafia right? And I really dont think it's likely traitor and scum would end up in the same neighborhood.
So like. What.

I saw a traitor/scum hood in a recent game.

In post 1450, Three wrote:

In post 1445, T3 wrote:I might. I might not. Either way, cookie knows my result. So if one of us dies the other person will know to potentially box scum into a corner later.

This is getting really dumb. It's no secret that I asked you and redtea to target me last night so that I could get cleared from both being scum and traitor. I know I'm neither, but the entire point was to get everyone to decide if I'm on the chopping block today, especially since I did play a part in George's miselimination. If you have a guilty or inno on me, just say it. There's no "boxing scum into a corner" here.

In post 1448, redtea wrote:same a50

uh well I did but I didn't really keep who I was targeting a secret

Thank you for actually giving information.

PE: Uhhh what. Redtea was supposed to shoot me, not Dwlee. And shooting once doesn't clear anyone, redtea has to shoot twice to account for Bulletproof Traitor.

what.

In post 1468, redtea wrote:ive gone back and forth on it since then
but with t3 being weird... idk, if he intends to reveal his results after n2, then maybe we could wait. If not, I'd prefer we all claim, since I think it'd be more helpful than keeping a hypothetical protective role around.

eOnce cookie is dead.

I mean, we can kill him today and have you out your info, perhaps.

The thing is I don't see why you need to keep the info from the public at all. Like, you're a claimed PR.. you're outed. What's wrong with stating "I checked X and they can/cannot talk at night"?? What's the secrecy all about?

You were coy about your claim on D1. You took a long time to explicitly claim. And today you're not giving out info, so it looks to me that you're SCUM who's just playing for time. The problem with this theory is that Cookie has to be Scum with you to support your claim.

Fuck it:

VOTE: Cool Cookie

Disclaimer: Faer in the previous post

In post 1484, Almost50 wrote:The problem with this theory is that Cookie has to be Scum with you to support your claim.

Or, cookie could be duped town that shares a hood with scum!T3.

TBH, I think it was a bad choice to shoot three by redtea. And announcing it beforehand was even worse. I also missed that redtea had wanted to shoot him, thought he would keep it to himself and tell us D2.

Now, we waste 2 shots of a vig just to confirm that three isn't a BP or a PR, but still don't know if he's scum or town. From a town-perspective, I'd rather he shot one of the ones that hadn't claimed that he was suspicous off. That would be a lot more useful for town.

It's also significant that scum didn't shoot T3. If A50 hadn't claimed Neighbourhood right off the bat I would understand why scum would think they could let T3 live one night. It might even benefit them, since if T3 finds a private chat they could just claim to be a neighbourhood and kill T3 N2 before he could confirm that with his even days neighbour finder power. But with the A50 claim there is a much higher chance that if he finds a private chat(outside of me and A50) in N1 they will be scum. So I would think he would have been priority target for killing N1.

VOTE: a50 nah

In post 1485, House wrote:

In post 1484, Almost50 wrote:The problem with this theory is that Cookie has to be Scum with you to support your claim.

Or, cookie could be duped town that shares a hood with scum!T3.

Another PT? I very much doubt it.

I townread cookie but not t3 and I feel like the way cookie is reacting here means they actually don't have the info t3 is saying they do

cookie is a town mailman who gave me instructions on how to crumb to them by mail last night. My claim fits with their claim very strongly, as cookie will be my only true false positive. I crumbed my result to cookie.

Here's a theory I just shared with zen: IF Cookie is the Traitor, and three is a Goon, and assuming T3 is also Scum the trio are wrapping us up for 3 cycles and the game ends (6 Town deaths in a 9 v 4 setup). If they do it for 3 cycles (5 v 4 on D 3) we are definitely getting to a 2 v 1 E-Lo with an unknown deepwolf.

P-edit: I give up. Informed Mailman who decided to claim their info in public on D1??

VOTE: T3

T3 claimed cookie "knows" he's Town. cookie said fae can't be sure of T3's alignment. I want this flipped today and I don't care about the claim.

ALSO: Let's say T3 checked Dwlee. Let's say he got "no private talk". WHY hold that off? Mow let's say he got "CAN talk privately" and we already have a claimed Neighborhood AND an outed Mailman. WHY hold the info still?

In post 1491, T3 wrote:

town

mailman

This feels like it could be TMI

It IS TMI. T3 had just slipped real hard. Let's review the facts:

TRAITOR IS ENDGAMED IF THE MAIN TEAM IS ELIMINATED
2 players are outed as Neighbors
1 is now also outed as Mailman

A "can communicate" result is an outright guilty. WHy not claim it?
A "can't communicate" is enough evidence the target is not MAIN SCUM, so why keep it undercover?

T3 is PLAYING FOR TIME. H;s TAKING SU ALL FOR A RIDE. And if you add this to how long it took him to claim yesterday you get: T3 is OUTED SCUM.

VOTE: T3

I'm down with this.

Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.

Or rather, T3 will only give us the info if cookie dies. That's what I understood he said anyway, but T3

Or rather, T3 will only give us the info if cookie dies. That's what I understood he said anyway, but T3 should clarify this.