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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:23 am
by Klick
Might as well stick it on the top of the page
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:37 am
by Greeting
That's a great question, why don't you ask
Eiralox
?
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:41 am
by Ausuka
I mean eliminating an uncc'd pr can be a good idea I think
I don't think it is, in this case specifically
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:44 am
by Eiralox
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:45 am
by Ausuka
greeting is actually a town simple disloyal bulletproof
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:47 am
by Greeting
It doesn't say so in my PM. Fun idea though, Bulletproof Cop. Wonder how many strong PRs the mafia would need to have for a game with a Bulletproof Cop to be balanced.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:50 am
by Ausuka
bulletproof cop
2-shot vigilante
jailkeeper
vt x 7
strongman
universal backup
ascetic
this feels balanced-ish and sort of fun if gimmicky but haven't thought about it too hard
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:15 am
by Eiralox
In post 989, Crescent wrote: In post 987, Eiralox wrote: In post 979, Crescent wrote:So I was making my morning tea and something suddenly dawned on me, in these exact words: "Why the fuck is Hutmeil not on Greeting?"
Hutmeil claimed he scum reads Greeting in #850, and there are just a few hours left in the day. Why isn't he voting him? The only other person in his stated POE who even has a vote is BBT, who is at 1.
i thought about it before and chalked it up to wariness/disengagement/unsurity. hopmeil is a gandhi.
Oh.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:22 am
by Mapuche Never Die
…okay, that doesn’t mean my post is scummy
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:22 am
by Mapuche Never Die
Nero is saying questionable reasons for scumreading Eiralox, I still scumread Eiralox, and I don’t scumread Nero.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:23 am
by Mapuche Never Die
VLA BETWEEN THE 7TH AND 9TH
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:25 am
by Mapuche Never Die
How does limming greeting test the claim
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:26 am
by Mapuche Never Die
I don’t like this post at all. There are a million different reasons why scum would want to kill furtive over town!Greeting, and this post implies that scum!Klick killed furtive to frame Greeting.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:33 am
by Ausuka
that would be impressive since klick wasn't in the game on night 1
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:34 am
by Ausuka
although now that i think about it
@klick, in frog images your scumteam left kittytacky alive in a similar situation - a suspected but powerful PR claim
why would you expect this game to be different to that
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:40 am
by Mapuche Never Die
In post 1488, Ausuka wrote:that would be impressive since klick wasn't in the game on night 1
My point still stands - the scum team thought that Greeting was a likely lim so they kept Greeting alive
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:47 am
by Ausuka
i mean, i agree they probably did do that - i don't think the kill could have been made with the intent for klick to frame greeting, although i guess it's possible klick is just making the best of what arguments he has available. i'm sure scum would love to not have to use a kill on greeting
i vaguely like most of klick's actual content since replacing in but obviously would still like to see more
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:50 am
by Klick
In post 1487, Mapuche Never Die wrote:
I don’t like this post at all. There are a million different reasons why scum would want to kill furtive over town!Greeting, and this post implies that scum!Klick killed furtive to frame Greeting.
In post 1489, Ausuka wrote:although now that i think about it
@klick, in frog images your scumteam left kittytacky alive in a similar situation - a suspected but powerful PR claim
why would you expect this game to be different to that
The main difference here is that Greeting finds Mafia Goons and literally claimed on D1 'I am going to investigate Crescent' who was a Mafia Goon
If Greeting is town, the scumteam willingly let a guilty go through on them to instead kill furtiveglance
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:52 am
by Frogsterking
VOTE: BBT this seems like a better compromise then.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:53 am
by Klick
And I'm not saying that's not possible. But I don't currently understand why that would happen
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:55 am
by DeltaWave
alright. where do i start, because there's a lot.
1. the overall self-preservation tone of this post
2. your argument relies solely on the fact that you haven't been counter-claimed instead of anything of any real substance
3. feels like there's potentially some fishing for a counter-claim
4. your post 1068 - "I consider myself to be a rather intelligent person, but I'm not smart enough to make such a sophisticated fake claim, honestly. I would need to have someone from my team invent it for me (10% effort) and then successfully convince me to use it (90% effort), which overall makes it highly improbable." this lengthy explanation as to how you could never ever come up with such an elaborate fakeclaim raises my eyebrows. you echoed the same sentiment in 1246, where you say that you are "town cleared" because of your "very unlikely to fake claim."
5. you refused to provide a reads list in 1258 and said you would if you survive to d3. again, more self-preservation stuff that doesn't actually assist scumhunting
6. your claim hasn't actually confirmed anything because crescent died at night.
7. your post 1260 - "My guess is that there are no more Mafia Goons in this game and so my role isn't a threat to the mafia anymore." it feels like you're setting yourself up to get no-reads later on. the type of cop you claimed would get "no result" on a townie or a mafia PR, so you could conceivably report "no result" every night without repercussions.
8. if your current operating theory is that your power is not a threat to mafia, the "you can't lim me because nobody counter-claimed me" argument becomes way weaker.
9. you seem to assume that a day lim is the only way to lim you, since apparently you value getting through the day over actually providing scumreads (see point 5, and well a whole bunch of other points too.)
what it boils down to is that you've largely been doing self-preservation stuff and resting on the "no counterclaim" argument as if that's open and shut, which it really isn't
i feel like if you really were a cop you'd be doing the best you can to participate as much as you can, since you are an obvious NK target. this is in contrast to point 5 above, where you said you'd only provide a list of reads if you're alive in d3.
p-edit: Im fine with BBT today
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:56 am
by DeltaWave
i really think you should provide some scumreads greeting
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:56 am
by Ausuka
I mean that is definitely a good point and it's possible greeting is, like, an informed mafioso or something weird like that?
I didn't get the vibe crescent and greeting were partners but maybe I need to review
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:02 am
by Ausuka
For some reason I was thinking that scum greeting wouldn't lock himself to targeting Crescent but like
d1 scum had no reason to think anything would happen to crescent so it'd make sense for him to do that actually
hmm
still wanna hear from nk15 but this is making me reconsider
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:11 am
by BlueBloodedToffee