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In post 14846, Roden wrote:

In post 14834, Noraa wrote:

In post 14817, Off The Hook wrote:were scum that comfortable with rodens reads..?

does roden even have reads? all i remember was him defending drap.

I've had scum reads but pretty much all of them already flipped or did something to turn my read around on them. For instance, I also was paranoid about Pooky, and thought maybe him and OTH made a big brain play by intentionally getting Luke killed and then revealing that Luke enabled the scum Venge kill to clear themselves of any suspicion. Because why would scum intentionally kill off a player that granted them a huge advantage and then reveal that advantage to everyone later?

But uh, then Pooky died before me...so that's kinda impossible now...

Though I do find it interesting that Pooky was killed so late into the game, and after my Mason partner too.

In post 14836, Noraa wrote:

In post 14828, Roden wrote:Gonna be reading over some stuff but I think we just kill Johnny today, Pooky's death kinda heavily incriminates him

But like, let's not rush the vote this time

does it? i really want johnny to be town honestly, to the point that its not even logical. but like i think any kill could be framed as "oh that incriminates johnny"
like has anyone here townread the dude for the past five days? litearlly anyone could die and you could find a post calling johnny scum
like could he be scum? yeah, but this isnt the reason.

For the most part, enough people have been town reading him and been against voting him out for the last five days. I didn't even have a good reason to want to keep him around, I just thought that he was fun to play with and liked his vibes.

The reason I think Pooky's death implicates scum!Johnny is because Pooky was a Cop who had a lot of good reasons to be town read by everyone, and most of the suspicion against him was paranoia that he was still alive really late into the game and that he was making pushes on mis-elims. But the moment he seems ready to take out Johnny next, he dies. You also have to take into account that he was probably the most influential player left in the game, so killing Pooky is the most logical choice for scum!Johnny.

And if Johnny is town...why doesn't scum just leave Pooky alive to lead another mis-elim on town!Johnny? Taking Pooky into ELO after that + all of the paranoia building in the background around him would've made him the ideal scapegoat.

In post 14917, Off The Hook wrote:johnny why do u even think im scum lol
i thought u would be more wary considering the mini normal : 3

In post 14917, Off The Hook wrote:johnny why do u even think im scum lol
i thought u would be more wary considering the mini normal : 3

In post 14921, butterflies wrote:

In post 14914, Noraa wrote:god i already know this is gonna be one of those games where i get behind and never get caught up again. ugh. something that just hit me in the face was a johnny-butterflies team. i fucking dont know at this point. everything is making me paranoid. hell you could probably convince me that the game is so bastard a mason is scum right now.

like butterflies backing off johnny is so weird to me. my brain just keeps screaming oh my fucking god butterflies thought johnny was doomed and wanted cred but now that johnny wagon isnt going flash, butterflies wants to keep him. but then every time im like ugh johnny might be town and if i think too hard im like no gamestate means he's probably scum so them im like huh maybe butterflies feels this way too. but then my brain goes back to the first argument and its like i solved the game! and then im like wait but what if ....? nancy can you just not reply to this for a bit btw? i need to let this float around for a bit

Why is it weird Noraa? I don’t know what Johnny’s going to flip. Are you convinced he’s scum here because I’m not and if he’s town, then we get two town and two scum tomorrow and Idk if scum’s wincon is parity or killing all the townies but in any case, we absolutely can’t afford to rush this vote - which is what you claimed to have wanted.

I’m saying I’m not confident Johnny’s scum anymore and you should realize that scum!me wouldn’t gaf about that. Like it’s almost like you want to sr me no matter what I do here.

I’m not confident on Johnny’s alignment, so I think it would be seriously fucking stupid to rush this vote.

Also, Johnny supposedly kills Pooky why? to avoid getting run up? But Pooky died and Johhny still got put up to e-1, so if Johnny!scum actually killed Pooky, how did it help him?

Also, Johhny made me question an assumption I had that scum was obviously going to bus Johnny but I realized from my scumgames that I would only bus if my buddy was dead in the water scum, so I think that it’s suboptimal for scum to bus here if Johnny is in fact scum. It’s entirely possible that I’m also wrong but I have enough doubt to think that I could very possibly be right and as idiotic as Drap’s read on me was, he was right on Rad and yeah, I think it’s possible that Johhny could possibly be a miselim here.

In post 14921, butterflies wrote:Why is it weird Noraa? I don’t know what Johnny’s going to flip. Are you convinced he’s scum here because I’m not and if he’s town, then we get two town and two scum tomorrow and Idk if scum’s wincon is parity or killing all the townies but in any case, we absolutely can’t afford to rush this vote - which is what you claimed to have wanted.

In post 14932, JohnnyFarrar wrote:

In post 14921, butterflies wrote:Why is it weird Noraa? I don’t know what Johnny’s going to flip. Are you convinced he’s scum here because I’m not and if he’s town, then we get two town and two scum tomorrow and Idk if scum’s wincon is parity or killing all the townies but in any case, we absolutely can’t afford to rush this vote - which is what you claimed to have wanted.

So. I was thinking about this post and realized you just miscounted the players? Or do you know something I don't?

In post 14935, Noraa wrote:I dont have thoughts on Hook or BB which is strange since i normally SR gamma and marcistar. could just be that ive been preoccupied with butterflies. idk about bb since idk if they're an alt or what.

In post 14938, butterflies wrote:

In post 14935, Noraa wrote:I dont have thoughts on Hook or BB which is strange since i normally SR gamma and marcistar. could just be that ive been preoccupied with butterflies. idk about bb since idk if they're an alt or what.

Well. it would really help me if you did because I think you’re town and that’s another thing I’m liking about Johnny because I trust Roden the most obviously followed by you and MB and Johnny seems to be mindmelding with me on that.

In post 14915, Noraa wrote:my brain right now: flipflopflpfopflipfopfipflipflopslfoppfloopp

In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 12224, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:Malcolm.
Can you explain your SRs on CSF and BB?
I don't get them, especially on CSF who hasn't been doing scummy things as of late.
-Guanine

Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates - some soft TR's with the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance. Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town.

Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?

In post 12228, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 12226, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:I see.
Though, I think that CSF's push on Johnny is NAI because it could be due to her not wanting to vote you or Mala and Johnny being her SR.
On the other hand, why is Johnny a TR? He's still null for me.
-Guanine

I don't see Johnny/Math being scum together on the basis of their interactions before Math was eliminated. I scumread Johnny early on but have very much flipped on that and have made that clear. I'm aware I could have some incorrect reads myself, but I very much feel like we've mindmelded a bit and I think his pushes and reads have gotten increasingly solid as the game goes on.

I'd also argue that my reevaluation of Johnny in itself is pretty townie and shows a decent degree of flexibility

given my continued push for Rad in the last day or two which hasn't really gone away despite my willingness to compromise at the moment. Mala/Johnny are the two main alternatives to me but I've not particularly pushed either of them too strongly because I'm not convinced they're scum, albeit I am willing to compromise on Mala because I'm not certain enough on the slot to fight for saving it when my elimination is the likely alternative.

In post 13379, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 13376, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:

In post 13372, MalcolmTucker wrote:I believed BBT was town and little has changed that since. I believe Johnny is very likely town and wasn't interested in going there either

I kind of think your Johnny read is incoherent

I'm not sure why you think this.

I've stated several times Johnny's interactions with scum didn't strike me as aligned. I also increasingly mindmelded with them in a way I felt was unlikely to be scum.

Also, if I'm scum, what's my motive for suddenly going from scum to town on Johnny? It's a slot I could've pushed reasonably as scum continually, no? Suspicion has remained there and it'd have been a viable alternative if I wanted to divert away from Mala at any point. I'm not sure what I particularly gain from backing off Johnny as scum?

My read there is a perfectly natural development where I've reassessed a player as the game has gone on.

In post 13766, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 13760, butterchurn wrote:

In post 13675, MalcolmTucker wrote:I tend to try and stay relatively calm during games but will be immensely frustrated if my elimination as town here is partially caused by scum basically annoying some townies into giving them another day. I am not scum here and I've presented what I think is a solid and robust case as to why I'm not.

What even is the actual case against me anyway? For the most part beyond one or two people who genuinely suspect me I feel as if it boils down to vibes since I'm not officially cleared yet. It feels a bit like the recurring case against BBT earlier in the game - when it came to actually presenting proper evidence for why BBT was scum nobody was really able to do so.

Malcolm here ignores the valid reasons to scumread him and is reductive of the case. He hasn't really engaged with CSF's reasoning about how his read progression on Johnny is inconsistent, and now he is acting as if there aren't any reasons to scumread him.

I have engaged with this and I believe CSF's case re Johnny is fairly inaccurate.

What's my motivation to sort Johnny as town if I'm scum anyway? It'd have been a useful place for me to continue pushing along with Rad given there's been pressure remaining on that slot if I was scum, no?

In post 13789, MalcolmTucker wrote:

In post 13787, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:

In post 13766, MalcolmTucker wrote:I have engaged with this and I believe CSF's case re Johnny is fairly inaccurate. What's my motivation to sort Johnny as town if I'm scum anyway? It'd have been a useful place for me to continue pushing along with Rad given there's been pressure remaining on that slot if I was scum, no?

What is inaccurate about 13392?

I felt your claim my read on Johnny had evolved weakly or was inconsistent was inaccurate.

I've stated myself I didn't really think Mala was likely to be scum but I maintain they were a better vote than Johnny would have been - Johnny's posts had improved for me and I'll admit that was partially due to us mindmelding. I'll admit there's always a chance Johnny could be pocketing me but that seems unlikely because from my POV as town that'd involve them in all likelihood openly scumreading scum partners all to pocket a player who's been a prime elimination candidate for the past two turns.

Either way, where's the scum motive in my changed read on Johnny? It's surely a useful slot for scum Malcolm to keep pushing, no? My posts may not offer the clarity you want but I've been pretty open that my early read on Johnny was probably a partial misread based on their tone, once I got used to that tone and evaluated that slot again I began to see how they approached the game as really townie. The only motive here is surely if I'm partnered with Johnny but that seems infeasible from a scum POV - remember early in the game I was openly advocating for Johnny's elimination even when Math (I think it was Math) was trying to get us to settle on some other players.

I feel like your read on me is less based in the conviction I'm actually scum and is more centred around the fact you dislike how I've articulated my progression on another player you've scumread. But there's a world where I can be wrong and Johnny and you're right without me being scum.

In post 14944, butterflies wrote:

In post 14915, Noraa wrote:my brain right now: flipflopflpfopflipfopfipflipflopslfoppfloopp

Nornor tldr me where your reads at?

-Butterflea

In post 14948, Noraa wrote:i actually dont see the tmi in actually, any of those posts. like malcolm assuming johnny is town makes sense if he thinks johnny is town, no?