Mini 144: Dreamcatcher~Game Over

[Talitha]

BTW: An insane cop would fit the Curtis character

very

well. So I'm almost tending to believe FD. This dude was a homicidal maniac too though, so I'm still kinda dubious...

[halfpint]

Wait! We have 3 people claiming to be investigative roles (i.e., 3 forms of a cop?). I highly doubt that, so I tend to believe one of the three is lying. However, I don't know which one.

About your idea chaotic. I do believe it is a possibility. I don't know how strong of one, but I don't think we should discount it.

Are we all role claiming then? I could do that if people want.

[SubtleTactix]

Everyone ready for my really outrageous, imaginative, and nearly impossible idea?
Subtle could have sold out W_W, then randomly pick a random innocent and said the person can't kill. Afterall, he never said if Talitha could protect at night or not. Then, JDTAY could be in league with Tactix, so when JDTAY is in trouble, they can confirm each other.

An amusing notion, I'll admit. But for that to work, JDTAY and I would have to know that it was safe to claim Henry and Jonesy. That seems too bold for mafia to try, and too unlikely for the mod to have set up.

I did indeed ask if Talitha could protect at night, but how does it help the town to reveal the answer I got? It just makes it easier for mafia to eliminate doctors. If you're really worried about this, I can make a claim about Tally's doc status, and then she can confirm. But let's not do that unless everyone really thinks JDTAY and I are in cahoots.

Just to remind everyone, I did try to verify my sanity for both of my investigations -- both times I got the 'correct' answer, so I'm pretty confident in my result on Talitha.

Anyway, I'm still not particularly moved to lynch FD, so I'll keep my vote where it is for now. It didn't show up in nonny's last count, though, so

Confirm Vote: halfpint

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--Tactix

[Flying Dutchman]

I'm afraid I missed the second deadline. For now I don't know if I'm insane or paranoid, but I'm going to try to lynch the first person I find innocent.

Unvote: Tally
Vote: Halfpint

A sane, insane, and paranoid cop would make 3 and would not be particulary overpowered for the town. I think you're trying to cast unnecessary suspicion.

[PeaceBringer]

unvote, vote halfpint

[JDTAY]

Sorry, my computer was messed up for a few days. Don't replace me.

[halfpint]

Okay, now that everyone is starting to vote for me (which I really don't know why), then I will claim. Plus, almost everyone else is doing too. I'm Pete, a townie, and have no abilities whatsoever. Based on what chaotic said (through his research), I am assuming Pete Moore but my pm didn't say that.

I know that a lot of people will say that since I'm only a townie, I'm a safe lynch, and I really can't argue with that. So, do what you will. I will say this though. If you do lynch me, then you need to seriously look at who is trying to get me lynched. Also, we have 3 investigative roles which can be strong. We don't know yet if they are a sane, insane and paranoid.

My best bet is still with FD and I'm sticking with that. I didn't like the comment about lynching the first person you find innocent. However, PB comes on with no comment (again) and just votes for me. Very suspicious. I'm saying that now because if I get lynched, I want you to know who I found to be suspicious (because as you will see (if I get lynched) later, I am a townie).

[PeaceBringer]

halfpint i do vote without comments, frequent complaint these day. If you want commentary field is narrowing down. At some point we need to pick someone and lynch. ALl the claims sound reasonable, as does yours. At the rate we are going, everyone will end up run up to the point of claim before we are through. Do we just want to have CD and myself and whoever else hasn't claimed to claim, since we already have gotten claims from nearly everyone else. Or maybe we should lynch me, and Chaotic and then you can all sort through the other claims.

[PeaceBringer]

halfpint i do vote without comments, frequent complaint these day. If you want commentary field is narrowing down. At some point we need to pick someone and lynch. ALl the claims sound reasonable, as does yours. At the rate we are going, everyone will end up run up to the point of claim before we are through. Do we just want to have CD and myself and whoever else hasn't claimed to claim, since we already have gotten claims from nearly everyone else.

[chaotic_diablo]

Welcome to another one of my outrageous and imaginative ideas.
Lynch King Enigma, eliminate's King's theory

MGIA investigates halfpint

FD and I investigate MGIA.
FD: halfpint lives
innocent: FD is scum
guilty: FD is paranoid
Halfpint dies due to MGIA
Innocent: FD is scum
Guilty: FD is paranoid
CD: Halfpint lives
Innocent: I can be naive or sane
Guilty: I am sane and Gnome is scum
Halfpint dies due to MGIA
innocent: I am sane or naive
Guilty: I am scum

Subtle investigates FD or me.
1. Did FD or CD get an innocent result?
2. Did FD or CD investigate MGIA?
3. The confirming question thing you used

Idea doesn't take into acount to what happens if one of us gets killed. I don't know how Subtle's role works, so i'm just guessing that Subtle asks a yes or no question and gets an answer.
There are indeed flaws, so point them out if you find them. If you have better ideas, point them out and there will be a 70% chance that iw ill discard this idea and go with yours.

[SubtleTactix]

I have also been thinking that with all these cops (It's like Discount Cop Warehouse over here!), we should organize a "who-to-investigate" plan for the night. The problem is, the mafia will know the plan ahead of time, will be able to predict (most of) our results, and so will be able to make the most confusing kill possible.

I'm still open to the idea, but until we have a "foolproof" plan (i.e., no matter who dies, we still nab some scum), I think we're better off keeping a lid on who we all intend to target.

I'll think about it some more, though. Let me check that I've got all the possible cop types down:

sane = correct result
naive = always innocent
insane = random result
paranoid = always guilty

Is there a cop type where you always get an incorrect result?

--Tactix

[chaotic_diablo]

I can agree that the mafia can 'predict' our results, but that doesn't mean they can do anything about it. So all we have to do is create an idea that is so incredibly obvious to the mafia, so that they can't do anything about it.
Ok, here's another idea. We have FD and I investigate one person, even if Mafia takes that person down, the cops will still get a result. MGIA and Subtle can target FD and I, but they must not target the same person. MGIA and Subtle can check for any scumness in the cops.
If FD or I get the KIA from mafia, then at least one of the results will be verified. If Subtle or MGIA get killed, then at least one result will still be verified. Also, I'm suspecting that there is another doc, I'd say the doc should protect either MGIA or Subtle, that way mafia has a 50% chance on hitting the one person that matters.
And yes, there are flaws in this, i haven't thought of it, but if you can, then say so and good for you. I'm still coming up with plans that will work.

[Flying Dutchman]

sane = correct result
naive = always innocent
insane = random result
paranoid = always guilty

Is there a cop type where you always get an incorrect result?

--Tactix

Insane = always incorrect. Random results are generally frowned upon and I wouldn't count on their presence unless proven otherwise, they're VERY rare, because they suck.

CD, I don't like your plan, there's a big flaw.... somewhere... but I can't put my finger on it. I'll try to explain it better this weekend.

[Flying Dutchman]

sane = correct result
naive = always innocent
insane = random result
paranoid = always guilty

Is there a cop type where you always get an incorrect result?

--Tactix

Insane = always incorrect. Random results are generally frowned upon and I wouldn't count on their presence unless proven otherwise, they're VERY rare, because they suck.

CD, I don't like your plan, there's a big flaw.... somewhere... but I can't put my finger on it. I'll try to explain it better this weekend.

[Talitha]

I think everyone has claimed except Peacebringer? There's no point in holding back just one role now.

[chaotic_diablo]

I think we'd better pick on who we should or shouldn't lynch. Nonny might put a deadline.

[Talitha]

vote: Peacebringer

^__^

[PeaceBringer]

well I really wish we hadn't had a mass role claim, better folks didn't know about this. We still have some limited protection. I was told I was an EMT. I have some ability to protect but limited. I really would rather not give more details of my role or whether the limit has been reached or not.

[halfpint]

Well, PB's role kinda makes sense. Tally, I went back through your posts and didn't see where you claimed. It might have been subtly done, but since I'm not up on the movie/book, I missed it.

I think we should lynch JDTAY. He is the person that I find the most suspicious. I know that Tactix verified his role, but I'm still shaky on him. I also don't like that we have 3 investigator roles; I don't think that we should lynch one of them though because I'm confused about them all.

[chaotic_diablo]

what's an EMT?

[PeaceBringer]

EMT=emergency medical technician, as in paramedic.

[chaotic_diablo]

well... We can all clear up whether halfpint is innocent or not if Talitha claims to be the last of the 5 friends. Jonesy, Henry, Pete, Dudditts, and that last one which i can't remember. After that, there's only CD, PB, KE, and FD. Out of those 3, excluding me, I think we should lynch either PB or KE.

PB because he has no role name, which leads me to think scum. If you'd like, i can also give at least one reason why i think "no role name= scum".
KE because he doesn't care whether we lynch him or not.

One more thing, JDTAY can still be included since since the Mr. Gray thing still hasn't been cleared up

[Talitha]

Just be aware that the mod may have included a surprise so that the game isn't too easy for us to figure out with a mass claim. Eg, in Asterix mafia, Obelix was a serial killer, when you'd expect him to be good. I have no idea whether nonny would make things complicated like that or not, as this is the first game she's modded.

I'm also suspicious of PB's claim as I don't even remember an EMT in the movie. However no-one else has claimed a protecting role I don't think?

No I haven't claimed yet.. it actually slipped my mind. I'm Beav.
Kiss my Bender.

[JDTAY]

So are we lynching halfpint or what? I'll go for whatever, I've completely lost track of the game.

[chaotic_diablo]

well, that's all five friends. I say we assume for now that all 5 friends are innocent, and go for the 4 people that are left.