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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:16 am

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Unvote: Stewie


When you say that Ross told you that Monica was cheating on Chandler .. You think that it is probable that Ross is in this game then? I know that for now this may not be the best move, but if come time we could use Ross to clear you. Although we don't want to wait for endgame to do this obviously .. :wink:

I know that you were relaying the question to Olio, but I just want it to be known for the record that I was voting you mainly for your vote on Cadmium, the mix up of role claims just added on to it.

I unvoted you because I see your role temporarily as provable, and because since you are only one away from a lynch, I figured I'd take off a bit of the pressure.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:50 am

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Mmmm... This is getting difficult. My gut tells me Stewie is telling the truth, but I'd never forgive myself if he turns out bad and we let him get away with this.

For now:
unvote: Stewie
I need to think some more about his claim and corrections. I'm also very interested in Olio's answers, which gives me another reason to remove the vote for now.
NanookTheWolf wrote:When you say that Ross told you that Monica was cheating on Chandler .. You think that it is probable that Ross is in this game then? I know that for now this may not be the best move, but if come time we could use Ross to clear you. Although we don't want to wait for endgame to do this obviously ..
I'm missing something here: How does the existence of ross in this game clear Stewie?
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:51 am

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Mmmm... This is getting difficult. My gut tells me Stewie is telling the truth, but I'd never forgive myself if he turns out bad and we let him get away with this.

For now:
unvote: Stewie
I need to think some more about his claim and corrections. I'm also very interested in Olio's answers, which gives me another reason to remove the vote for now.
NanookTheWolf wrote:When you say that Ross told you that Monica was cheating on Chandler .. You think that it is probable that Ross is in this game then? I know that for now this may not be the best move, but if come time we could use Ross to clear you. Although we don't want to wait for endgame to do this obviously ..
I'm missing something here: How does the existence of ross in this game clear Stewie?
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:33 am

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Stewie wrote:First, unvote: cadmium, vote: olio for giving me a half assed answer which can be shortened to "because I don't believe your claim." I don't make up the roles, so I don't know why I have to call a name in each post. In fact, I don't know why I would have a post restriction. But if you take out the flavour, the role is pausible.
Yeah, sure it is. I'm sure if I'd typed just "I don't believe your role", you would've voted me anyway.
Stewie wrote: I want to know what made you suspicious of me
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I had claimed. Was it the fact that I put a third vote on cadmium? Or you just didn't think that the reason I voted for cadmium was legitimate? Or you thought that, although legitimate, it was not enough to warrant a vote?
Where did you get the idea I was suspicious of you before you claimed? You were getting near the lynch and I wanted to hear your defence, before deciding if I'd join the wagon or not. It was pretty much all we had going on at that time.

I posted my view on your defence and as I was first to post after you, I gave some time to others to type out their thoughts before I voted. I got suspicious because of your mis-reading thingie and I voted for you. Like I said, you either played it sloppy or are lying.

Also, on Ross thingie: Maximus did say he had seen Ross among others in Perk and at the moment I don't think he was lying.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:32 pm

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Official Vote Count Time Again
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Cadmium (1, StevieT92)
Olio (1, Stewie)
Stewie (2, Cadmium, olio)

Not Voting: NanookTheWolf, niMic, mepmuff, Dragon Phoenix

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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:28 pm

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Where did you get the idea I was suspicious of you before you claimed?
Well, when you said this:
While waiting for your answers, I'd like to hear Stewie's defence before voting.
When you say that you are expecting a defense, I assume that you found something that I did suspicious and wanted me to explain myself. Who would ask for a defense from someone they do not find suspicious?
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:38 am

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Stewie wrote: When you say that you are expecting a defense, I assume that you found something that I did suspicious and wanted me to explain myself. Who would ask for a defense from someone they do not find suspicious?
Why did you assume such thing? Usually those who are two votes from lynch are going to give defence sooner or later, so I made an educated guess. If it came out as a plea for defence, that wasn't my intent.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:39 am

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But you said you wanted my defense
before voting
which leads me to believe you were intending to do so if my defense wasn't good enough.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:43 am

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But you said you wanted my defense
before voting
which leads me to believe you were intending to do so if my defense wasn't good enough.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:34 pm

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Ok, I'm really in doubt about Stewie. If I were forced to decide a lynch for the town right now it would be him, based on the fact that if he isn't scum we're at least getting rid of someone who has been doing the scum a favour with careless play.

On the subject of people who aren't playing along: niMic. I really want to hear something. I can understand problems with access can be infuriating, but at least give us some of your thoughts if you've read the thread.

Related to this, I'd also like to read a bit more of DP's thoughts. He's clearly reading the game, but is keeping his thoughts to himself I think.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:05 pm

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Vote Stewie


After long consideration. The post that made me switch to him in the first place is still as scummy as they come. I think he's trying a double bluff with his butchered role claim. Indeed along the lines: no scum would try something like this.

He might even be Ross, but with a scum role.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:07 pm

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Vote Stewie


After long consideration. The post that made me switch to him in the first place is still as scummy as they come. I think he's trying a double bluff with his butchered role claim. Indeed along the lines: no scum would try something like this.

He might even be Ross, but with a scum role.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:28 am

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Unvote: Stewie
for now, I want to re-read the thread before deciding on this. I think there's more info in the thread than we've found so far. I haven't had the opportunity yet to read it again, but will try to do so tonight.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:47 am

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I think there's more info in the thread than we've found so far.
See, it worked. :D
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:33 pm

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Nanook: You said Stewie's role was proovable in time. I still don't get it. Can you, or anyone else, explain?

Mod: Can we get a prod for niMic?
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:42 am

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When I said that his role was provable in time, I think I had things messed up. I took it as if another player told him that Monica was cheating on chandler .. I think now that it is actually just flavor text.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:59 am

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mepmuff wrote:Mod: Can we get a prod for niMic?
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:03 am

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Okay, that was quite an interesting read. Funny how many things can be found if you take the time for it. Here's what I think is going on what we've discussed so far:
  • We have two killing parties, an SK and a mafia group.
  • The SK scorches his targets, which most likely is Frank (the melting stuff makes sense).
  • The mafia crushes his targets, which was a courtesy of Ugly Naked Guy. I think we'll see another MO from now on.
  • Maximus found Ross, Rachel and Phoebe in the Perk on night one. They are most likely townies with no ability.
  • StevieT92 is Joey and telling the truth about being a doc. He protected mepmuff last night, who probably was attacked by the mafia, and prevented the kill. Both killing parties assumed that the other would take care of the doc.
  • Stewie claimed Jack Geller after claiming to be one of Ross, Rachel and Phoebe. I don't think scum would risk doing something like that (seeing that this claim is questioned by more than one).
I think I have found more to go on, but first I'd like niMic to be prodded and Nanook to tell us what he thinks about Stewie's claim atm.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:05 am

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:D

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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:48 am

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I honestly don't know what to think with Stewie's claim anymore. I mean on a normal basis I would just leave my vote on him, but something just isn't right. For someone to know the show well like stewie and somehow just forget there role name disturbs me. I mean I don't know how much of a difference there is between Jack and Ross, but by the sounds of it there seem to at least be a slight one.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:01 am

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There's a huge difference between the Jack and Ross, but we can't ask stewie how come he misinterpreted his role pm. Well, we can always ask but I for one don't think that's good play (because that's one hard task without quoting the thing).

Another thing about Stewie's roleclaim: The cheating chandler angle. There's an episode where Ross has an 'older brother' conversation with chandler, and says that if chandler ever hurts monica, he'll hunt him down and kick his ass. There's no hook in the series that would give this angle as far as I can recall. But clinging tight to the actual storylines is another thin I don't want to do right now.

I'll wait for the other things cadmium has found before deciding on whether to vot stewie again or not.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:10 am

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You can't ask me why I got confused because I really don't know, or else I wouldn't have gotten confused in the first place. My guess is that the names are written similary (4 letter for the first name, and the same second name) and the fact that Ross is mentioned in my role pm.
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:40 pm

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NanookTheWolf wrote:I'd really like to hear a little something more from Cadmium, I can't recall if he is on holiday or not, but I know that he hasn't posted since like page 1 ...
Dragon Phoenix wrote:Happy with my vote on Cadmium, given his inactivity.
Here, DP's reason to keep his vote on me was purely based on Nanook's post (which wasn't correct either). Had he looked for inactivity himself, he would have found out that niMic was the inactive one. Simply following someone else seems scummy to me. Also, jumping on any other bandwagon (StevieT92, niMic or Maximus) would have made him look scummier so this was the best way to stay low.
Dragon Phoenix wrote:The consequent misspelling perk/park does not give me a good feeling: it sounds like a mistake a scumbag would make who made up a role after some googling. I'm sure the mod would use perk.
After Maximus' claim, DP was the first to question the misspelling which caused the lynch of Gunther. Scum uses inconsistencies in a role claim to question it. Had maximus really googled it, he would have gotten it right for sure. Also noticable is the way DP brings it up, waits for other input and then immediately votes after Nanook said that he was happy with his vote on Maximus.
niMic wrote:What just happened? Did the doctor save the mafia target, and a vig killed a mafia? Or could a role-blocker be involved? Either way, I guess we have a vig, unless the mafia wanted to kill one of their own.
Dragon Phoenix wrote:A vig? A serial killer? A target switcher? Two mafia groups?
This is the one of the two more interesting posts, IMO. niMic suggests a vigilante and DP doesn't state the obvious right away (SK & mafia), instead he lists about every possibility. This post, to me, says that there's a fair chance of DP being the SK trying to confuse the town. It's difficult to explain what I mean exactly, but something in this comment alerted me.
Dragon Phoenix wrote:So we have a claimed doc (Stevie) who survives the night? Hmmmm. Double bluff by the scum? By BOTH killer groups? Or expecting that the other group would do the job?
olio wrote:Only one explanation Dragon Phoenix didn't bring up for Joey being alive is that Joey could be a SK.
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that's not an option? Then again, mentioning it might attract too much attention (Olio got FOS'ed for it too). 'Hmmmm' is a better way to address it, the others will do the rest (as you can see). Keep the double bluff comment in mind too!
Dragon Phoenix wrote:I think he's trying a double bluff with his butchered role claim.
There it is again. Just too many double bluff suggestions for my likings. And again, trying to use an inconsistency in a role claim to question it. And again, first posting to say it's not likely scum would change claim and unvoting, but when it turns out that olio and mepmuff are having serious doubts, jumping right on again (similar to the Maximus lynch).

Vote: Dragon Phoenix


Just a hunch ;)! That and I've read a lot of other useful things in the thread which helped me deduce some likely innocents. I don't think DP is any of Ross, Rachel or Phoebe. So I think this is the best way to go today.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:12 pm

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Good post, cadmium. Two things to do on this end: Check the thread to see if you haven't been tampering with the evidence and wait for DP's reponse.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:37 pm

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Well, double checking DP's posts was quick. One thing I'd like to add:
Dragon Phoenix wrote:By the way, I could make a Friends mafia set-up with various varations, many of which would have a Godfather.
I interpreted this to mean that you know the friends series quite well. If so, I think your not doing the town a favour by not posting anything related to the actual show.

DP, I'd like to know how well you know the show.
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