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Benmage wrote:Korlash, your top 3 scum reads please.

Sure. As soon as Yates answers my question.

I think Korlash’s question to Yates at Post 144 needs to be answered post-haste!

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Knox wrote:I’m saying the outcome of the game would be better if we nailed scum on page 20. There would be more to work with the next day and for the rest of the game. Are you really saying more information is a bad thing? It is a very short sighted tactic.

And I’m saying you have no idea what you are talking about if you think I’m scum. Because you’ve said I’m scum already. What more is 17 pages going to get you? If I was scum I certainly wouldn’t be doing anything to give you MORE information and what you would get would be 17 pages of of people not doing any actual scum-hunting (note that not a single player is really focused on anyone aside from me right now).

Information is useful only if it would actually help find scum.

Knox wrote:The town lost. It is not an individual game and you can’t pick and choose your team mates. You can blame incompetent town all you want but you still lost and the quick lynches were a factor in that.

Nope. You are wrong. You can’t give a single explanation about how lynching scum both days contributed to the loss. It certainly didn’t make players play poorly. It didn’t make Monkeyman hammer Kuribo because he was annoyed.

You can make statements all you like but that doesn’t make you correct. And the fact that you just admitted you skimmed the game shows you really don't have an understanding of what went on.

Knox wrote:How about your reaction to it? I’m not saying it was a good test but it did make people take pause.

My reaction is what I would expect anyone with a brain to make – Vijay clearly didn’t have a slip as he would have actually said so if he thought he did. That compounded with his defensiveness and play similar to MST3K gave me enough reason to push him.

Knox wrote:I brought it up more so because the post in context looked forced and awkward and there was no need to bring it up. You were avoiding answering a question with a ‘der I’m town’. I never said scum claim they are town more than town. I’m just replying to you in the same manner that you did to me. Maybe I should have asked you to support your premise.

Maybe you should have. But you didn’t. Which is why I suspect you – you look like you are more interested in being cheeky than actually scum-hunting.

Knox wrote:Has anyone else in this game been at L-1? Well then that point was completely useless and taken out of context. I was referring to in other games. The only game I’ve read with you in it was Buffy which I skimmed but in that you expected iStark to claim when he was at L-1. So my question still stands.

Oh so you skimmed the game. That would explain why you didn’t understand that this post was not me asking him to claim but explicitly saying he was going to fake-claim since he was obvious scum.

Knox wrote:On a side note do you always insult people when they don’t agree with you?

If you think I’m insulting you then you had better quickly develop a thick skin if you want to stay around MS. Players like kuribo or Fate (when he isn’t scum laying low) will make you cry for Mommy if you think me pointing out the flaws in your logic and posts is insulting you.

MoI, I'm not goin to remember every facet of your game. YOU apparently don't. You didn't remember the affc reference.

You're apparently denying my Supernatural reference.

I just illustrated that scum refuse to claim. That's always my point. You trying to manipulate your own Meta does nothing for me.

Scum refuse to claim.

You are refusing to claim.

The mudslinging is unbareable. I'm not dodging, you're adding things I didn't say.

You say nonsense about repitition. Even someone who doesn't know you called you out for being insulting to those who don't agree with you.

My logic is sound even if there are other interpretations. But the belittling is fucking stupid.

↑ Korlash wrote:

Benmage wrote:Korlash, your top 3 scum reads please.

Sure. As soon as Yates answers my question.

yeah I quick looked for where Yates even said the slip to try and read in reference, but didn't see.

↑ pappums rat wrote:I have played a number of games with MoI, and this performance does not look like one of his town games to me. Back in KGB mafia (a long time ago) I replaced ReaperCharlie, who was town. MoI had been goading RC all game and making him look scummy. Him trying to get Benmage and Fate to argue looks similar to me, and recalling that game strengthens my scumread on MoI. I think you should go ahead and claim considering V2V has expressed intent to hammer.

What, MoI, are you just going to completely ignore this point against you? LOL.

Also lol at your "who are my buddies" post. I dont typically look into this sort of thing until after a flip.

↑ Benmage wrote:You're apparently denying my Supernatural reference.

What Supernatural reference? The one you allude to but never actually showed where it was?

Yeah, your responses here make this a good move at this point.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

Locking my vote in on scum.

↑ pappums rat wrote:What, MoI, are you just going to completely ignore this point against you? LOL.

You are doing just what Benmage does - cherry-picking your references.

Why don't you mention Jason's large TV Mafia game where I attacked players strongly and was Town. Is it because it undermines your 'meta'?

That post is an off-hand reference to a single game and some fluff. What should I have mentioned in particular.

Also - who are your other scum-reads? Are you saying you can't have more than one? The 'I wait until flips' is a pretty weak response.

↑ Benmage wrote:I just illustrated that scum refuse to claim. That's always my point. You trying to manipulate your own Meta does nothing for me.

Scum refuse to claim.

You are refusing to claim.

This is also pretty stupid logic. If I was scum I would be claiming right away to out Power-roles / make a creative claim to save my ass. And you know this to be true as I readily fake-claimed Cop under no pressure in AFFC. Funny how you forget that in your little tidbit. So you are again selectively using direct knowledge in hopes to secure this mislynch.

And of course I've shown you the only two times I've ever refused to claim. Both are Town. You can't find me any other instances. And yet you want to say "You doing that is Town is irrelevant, scum do it" which is so terrible I can't even begin. What, worried you can't refute is so trying to hand-wave it away?

I know you aren't a complete moron Ben. So it is glaringly obvious you are scum.

Attacking players strongly isnt the issue here, it is the goading and trying to stir up shit.

As far as other scumreads go, some of knox's points I thought were kind of weak, but Im not ready to call her scum for it yet. iStark hasnt really said much in his posts, could be active-lurking scum, but you are my main scumread atm and I see no reason to pursue anyone else.

Oh look - Pappum's list of possible scum is exactly the same as Yates' list.

And both target the two newest players in the game as my possible partners.

Scum-tastic!

MoI in the same way your trying to refute my claim that scum slow claim or refuse to claim with personal Meta, YOU SHOULD be self voting because I used your Meta yo show you open games the way you did here.

Yes I've caught you fabricating. No two games are goin to be alike. You hammering the issue, see see see.... its scummy has fuck. Oh you didn't act the exact same way as scum. Congratufuckinlations.

So now papums me yates and fate are scum. Anyone who disagrees with you is apparently scum. Is Knox too?

But korlash who hasn't attacked you is conftown, right?

↑ Benmage wrote:Yes I've caught you fabricating.

No Town reason to actually be fucking fabricating evidence.

All you do is barrage people with insults, and cloak points in nauseating walls.

Ive recently seen and caught you as scum and played with you as scum. This is scumMoI.

I'd 1v1 you in a heartbeat if you're so confident I'm scum.

And by that I mean - you've not provided one bit of evidence that you've caught anything of the sort.

Misrep me moar bro. I never said they were your partners, I said they have given off the most scumtells IMO. I wouldnt start talking about who your partners could be until after you were to flip scum.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

↑ Benmage wrote:Yes I've caught you fabricating.

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No Town reason to actually be fucking fabricating evidence.

What? Lol... what does this mean. I was talking about you affc cop gambit shit. Which I caught you on... till pine through the curve ball.

↑ Benmage wrote:Ive recently seen and caught you as scum and played with you as scum. This is scumMoI.

Really? Provide that link. Again .. you are making references that you can't back up.

I'll take that 1v1 in a heartbeat. Commit to it in your next post!

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:And by that I mean - you've not provided one bit of evidence that you've caught anything of the sort.

I wasn't talking about this game.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

↑ Benmage wrote:Ive recently seen and caught you as scum and played with you as scum. This is scumMoI.

Really? Provide that link. Again .. you are making references that you can't back up.

I'll take that 1v1 in a heartbeat. Commit to it in your next post!

Committed, I hammer you?

↑ pappums rat wrote:Misrep me moar bro. I never said they were your partners, I said they have given off the most scumtells IMO. I wouldnt start talking about who your partners could be until after you were to flip scum.

Nice attempt to play it off.

Your reads as to who else is scum target the two newest players in the game. That's classic scum playing it safe material with your reads - no need to piss off veterans who are Town. Keep your profile as low as possible and don't make enemies.

Now granted it could just be terrible play on your part to only suspect new players. But between you and Yates I get the gut there is at least 1 scum.

↑ Benmage wrote:Committed, I hammer you?

Doesn't matter who hammers me.

But you need to get that seventh vote. Until then I'll be rallying to get your lynched today.

@Korlash:

↑ Korlash wrote:Where did he scum slip again?

Sorry, man, I thought you were kidding.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:I was scum there also.

@ MoI

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Um whut? Your original issue with me was that I called out Knox's "Hey I'd put you at L-1 but it's early" play as scummy. Now you agree with it?

Not at all. First, that isn't my initial issue with you. This was an additional argument we had regarding the scum value of not putting someone at L-1. You assigned that scum value while I did not. My argument is that this action is not scummy on its own. It does, however, become scummy AFTER a scum flip. I'm not assigning a point value to it but you earn scum credit if you don't/won't vote for scum. This is a very different argument.

↑ Yates wrote:Not at all. First, that isn't my initial issue with you. This was an additional argument we had regarding the scum value of not putting someone at L-1. You assigned that scum value while I did not. My argument is that this action is not scummy on its own. It does, however, become scummy AFTER a scum flip. I'm not assigning a point value to it but you earn scum credit if you don't/won't vote for scum. This is a very different argument.

The flaw with this attempt at an explanation is of course zero scum have flipped so your "Oh, it's scummy now" doesn't hold water.

Want to try again?

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

↑ Benmage wrote:Committed, I hammer you?

Doesn't matter who hammers me.

But you need to get that seventh vote. Until then I'll be rallying to get your lynched today.

lolwaitwut?

When did it go from Fatescum to Benscum?

How much can a MoI flail before he's hammered?