I believe all flips have been used. Everyone who has yet to take a letter should indicate which letters they are interested in.
I would like to take P / V / T in that approximate order.
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Vijay wrote: I don't see what the problem is. I voted Hoopla because of AV's points. So sue me because I sheep early on.
AV’s point was terribly bad and you trying just sheep it as your reasoning reminds me somewhat of how you operated Day 1 in MST3K Mafia … you voted into a the dominant conflict at the point (this games it was Hoopla / LLD) piggy-backing off someone else’s reasoning (AV’s in this case).
Am I wrong in having issues with that?
Furthermore I am against your “Let’s list everyone 1-13 and mix it all together” to take tiles as that will result in much diversion from actual scum-hunting and is, as Hoopla put it, “a little bureaucratic and a waste of a bit of time”.
Vijay wrote: Unrelated: Hoopla, are you very smart? You sound like it.
Oh look, over-the-top buddying …. but it leads me to the a question –
Why are you still voting Hoopla if given how Town and smart you find her recent posts?
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IceGuy wrote:Because I don't consider her scummy enough to want her lynched (especially as her towniness has been increasing with every subsequent post). I just don't want to give her a powerful letter at this point.
By this point in the game if you find you think Hoopla shouldn’t have a powerful letter I see no reason you couldn’t justify voting her. I think this is a dodge.
IceGuy wrote:Yet you only produce generalities when pressed about it.
And yet there are no more than generalities for me to comment on. Your ‘scummy players should not get powerful letters’ is just that.
Did you go research Andrius’s Mafia in Mordor Mini Theme that I referenced? In that game Town basically mass-claimed fairly early and completely directed all Night actions. This allowed scum to spot the holes in the plan and kill in a manner that was best suited for them. For example Town failed to realize that leaving a player who could vote the next day after death did not increase the number of votes to lynch, allowing scum to kill said play and endgame. Despite losing both partners early the Mina / me Hydra rode the wave of “Lynch based on these Night actions as opposed to who is deemed scummy” plan that was being bandied about and won thanks to Town not having a full understanding of the set-up.
Iceguy wrote:Amrun is null - she's showing less activity than she would usually do, but she has declared V/LA. I don't particularly worry about the null read since she tends to give off scum vibes later in the game if she is scum.
Please link me to the completed games where you have caught / pointed this out about scum-Amrun.
Iceguy wrote:MoI, what do you think of LLD and Robocopter? How many scum do you think is hiding amongst the lurkers/no-content posters?
Once LLD answers my open question I will give my read on her slot.
Robocopter is in my ‘leaning scum’ pool. He hasn’t posted much so far that reads as actually scum-hunting. Too much of what I see as Faux Town fluff IMO. I don’t think he is aligned with LLD based on how quickly he jumped on her proposal despite it being very anti-Town.
Are you seriously asking me about lurkers 4 pages into the game?
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Argula’s
Post 89 is definitely scummy as he acknowledges Iceguy’s plan at the same time as basically repackaging it as his own ‘new plan’. Furthermore his responses to suspicion have dominated his posts. Aside from his “I think the Ladies are Town” I see little in the way of opinion from him on who is scum that isn’t OMGUS / defensive driven.
Arugula wrote:
@DCL
Basically, my response to you would have been "I wasn't trying to cover my ass and I didn't realize how similar my plan was to IceGuy's" and you would've said "Bullshit." There isn't anything I can really refute and prove.
The problem I have with this is you specifically acknowledged that you found Iceguy’s plan to be good in the post where you basically regurgitated it. Saying you ‘didn’t realize how close they were’ after acknowledging Iceguy’s plan doesn’t make sense.
Arugula wrote: Is it that hard to accept the fact I made an honest mistake in not realizing my plan was similar to IceGuy's?
Is it that hard to accept that after having my previous plan beaten to death, I was a little wary of posting another one simply because I didn't want to come off as incompetent?
Given 89? Yes, it is hard to believe. Given the vast number of plans out there already having one you supposedly believed in shot down I would think a reasonable Town player would go “OK, others are building plans I’ll just follow the one that is most Pro-Town and scum-hunt instead of putting together yet another plan”.
Arugula wrote: Since when can scum steal letters? When was the idea ever brought up?
Scumslip?
And this puts you over the top in my opinion. Looks like hunting for things you can frame as scummy as opposed to actually scum-hunting.
VOTE: Arugula
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Voided wrote: Also, while that's true, it's not as dangerous as getting an "n" is. IMO, Ninja is a far better role for scum than PGO is, and scum have no need for Cops or CPR, so I suppose the most you've done as scum is give us one less chance to get a Cop.
No it isn’t. While Ninja is powerful PGO and CPR Doc (like Vig) are over-the-top powerful for scum as they give scum an additional kill (or potential kill) above their Factional Nightkill.
A Ninja on scum who gets tracked or watched results in the Tracker or Watcher getting a false negative and dead Town. A PGO on scum who gets tracked or watched results in two dead Town players.
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Amrun wrote: MoI, her plan was "take an unflipped tile if you're not close to spelling a word." Which means scum would know who did and did not have powers, which is a terrible, terrible idea, and all of the other ideas are just as terrible for this same reason.
I disagree in that I see it as “Take an unflipped tile if the available tiles don’t help you form a word”. Given that there are enough useless tiles (and we have several flipped already) for Town it isn’t indicative at all of who can’t be a Powerrole. Furthermore it is pretty clear (FMPOV anyway) that forming Pro-Town abilities is not going to be easy and happen every night.
The plans were based on massclaiming and following strict night actions which forced scum and a SK to do what the town said, and we then used logic and deduction to catch them in two stunning, but somewhat boring victories.