Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:41 pm**

↑ absta101 wrote:
absta101: Do you NOT think Lora is scum? I'm not requiring you to say you're sure one way or another, just for you to confirm that you are NOT sure she is scum.
Okay, the case on her (just kidding xD) says he is scummy because he wants to quicklynch randomly yes?
1. That could be seen as scummy for reasons already stated.
2. That could be seen as town due to him being reckless which is a slight town tell.
Conclusion: null

I do want to ask:
Do the reasons this is very scummy some how NOT outweigh the fact that it's "reckless" which you say "is a slight town tell," if we assume that LoraScum couldn't know that and didn't use it to her advantage?
1. Randomly quicklynching is not helpful to town in any way and hurts the town considerably. Lora can't provide reasons for her votes, and can't provide defences against votes on her. She uses a lot of AtE with a little ad hom, but generally avoids answering questions addressed to her.
2. WIFOM argument that, even if townsided, is only a "slight town tell."
Conclusion? Scum, with a single, slight, lackluster townpoint that might actually be a scumpoint instead.

↑ absta101 wrote:
@PM

↑ PMysterious wrote:
↑ absta101 wrote:
Serious question: Do you like this game we're in?

I'm kinda on the rush a lot and I can't do everything at once. I still like this game.
You like this game yet you've been lurking hard which is scummy.
1. It's even more scummy when you just appear after I call you out. Clearly you've been reading.
Why are you trying to make it look like you don't know what's going on?
2. I know for a fact you've been present elsewhere on the site quite frequently. If you liked this game and you were town you would be posting more and scumhunting. If you were scum, well let's just say, keep doing what you're doing.
3. Your posts still lack the analysis/scumhunting which is scummy.

What would you have said if PM had said, "no, I don't like this game?" How would you have twisted it to say he was scum then?
1. This is a thing, but it's just as likely to be coincedence.
2. He's present elsewhere onsite because he has

five games

that he's alive in. Which actually brings up the question, "What the fuck, PMy? Are you fucking stupid? Because you clearly can't commit to any of them." But that's not really the point-- he's got five freaking games to participate in and he probably is going for the longest-running or most-interesting games first.
3. So, why vote for PM? Why not vote for TheShadow, or even Guy_Named_Riggs? Why not vote for Lora,

she's

not doing any analysis/scumhunting. None of them are! (Maybe they're busy? But that didn't stop you from voting PM!)

So, remind me why you

don't

want Loran to be our first lynch.

You know, it's that quote above that makes your question to VM

meaningless

.

↑ absta101 wrote:

@Voided

VOTE: Voided
I can't answer your question btw.
I'll present my reasons after you give me your answer.

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:Absta, Post 113: Hmph. Sure you can. It makes me cautious in answering when I'm met with such a seemingly loaded question.

It

is

a loaded question. It's vague enough that you'll find a way to call him scum or town regardless of his answer. The least you could do is answer his question in post #110-- because beside the fact that it has a clearly obvious correct answer, you have to give a little if you want something. Or else deface'n'disgrace your opponent into submission.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:45 pm**

Loranthaceae wrote:
↑ Voidedmafia wrote:...I'm seriously beginning to question whether or not you're understanding what I'm trying to say.

Hey champ, any chance we could wrap this up? Your call

*twitch*

...Just get out. You're not helping this town (though you're doing better than Shadow is), you've wasted both mine and Whisker's time, and you've done...nothing of value. Whatever the hell your scumreads are (

if

you have any) haven't been explained to any reasonable length or depth (no, I don't consider your "scumreads" actual scumreads when they're mired almost 98% in OMGUS), neither have your townreads (which I don't think you've even tried to give). The most notable thing you've ever done this entire game has been to try and get anyone/everyone lynched, which is exactly why you're top billing to

be

lynched. Ironic, I know.

↑ TheShadow wrote:"Not playing the game"?!? I
AM
playing the game. My way. If people don't like it then go ahead and waste a mislynch to PL me.

If "your way" means "not saying anything at all and only trying to skirt by with 'X is y' and hoping no one will call me out on it", then "your way" isn't going to fly.

Besides, I've called you out already. Three times this game, actually, four if you count SCIENCE! And I demand an answer, not some "Well, I've already given you stuff" crap because you

haven't

. Not in any quantifiable way that could justify the post I just quoted.

Loran wrote:In all our dispute even through all the misinterpretation and silly exaggeration and whatnot Voided and Whiskers have never even once been defensive on a gameplay matter.

And just what "gameplay matter", praytell, has been given for us to be defensive about?

Then again I haven't pushed them at all, I've just been dodging the shitstorm.

...What.

Almost all of this entire damn thing half-started with calling me scum out of the fucking blue, a read which you STILL haven't given much reasoning (or good reasoning) for. (the other half started with the "quicklynch anyone" part, but meh).

Whiskers wrote:It is a loaded question. It's vague enough that you'll find a way to call him scum or town regardless of his answer. The least you could do is answer his question in post #110-- because beside the fact that it has a clearly obvious correct answer, you have to give a little if you want something. Or else deface'n'disgrace your opponent into submission.

I thought we had already done that particular spiel with Loran?

Anyways, I will answer that question at some point as I do want to recall my thoughts on PM. Dealing with Loran did not leave me in the mind to talk about much else, though PM's absence doesn't help.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:07 pm**

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:You're not helping this town
(though you're doing better than Shadow is)
,

I do get to worrying that you're just repeating me sometimes.
Please do answer the questions soon.

Also, I forgot to mention this:

↑ absta101 wrote:Whiskers I haven't looked into you much but I have a town read on you. The Mafia are taking advantage of this situation in a variety of ways,
you guys have turned a null (maybe null-leaning scum) read into a full scum read.
You should take a step back and re-evaluate things, it's clear that you've become very emotionally invested in this.

Who is that null read? Loran?
Why is it in the same sentence as "Mafia are taking advantage of this situ. in a variety of ways"? Does this mean that the Mafia are taking advantage of it

because

we've turned a null read into a scum read? Or taking advantage of it

by

turning it into a scumread?
Was it a nullread for you, that has turned into a scumread for you? How does this count as "you guys" (which, according to you, included VM, myself, and THE MAFIA!) doing it, instead of just (pretty much) me? Maybe with a little VM mixed in there.
Why do you say, "You've turned a null read into a scum read" as though it's a bad thing?
Name a few of the variety of ways Mafia is taking advantage of this.

that's in addition to my other question, and answering VM's other question.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:11 pm**

Whisky, the last part of that post made no sense. And I just realized that the last bit of 150 was talking to absta, not me. :derp:

And...I'm sorry for agreeing with you?

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:40 pm**

Gameplay elements that I've made conversation about: You not wanting to quicklynch but then wanting to quicklynch. You not wanting a lynch where no one can be held accountable but then wanting it so bad.
You claiming to know exactly what you're doing when being called out about it.
(note to self:)You claiming to have a bulletproof reason to vote me despite me being town

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:

You lose. Good day, sir.

and

Whiskers wrote:It is a loaded question. It's vague enough that you'll find a way to call him scum or town regardless of his answer. The least you could do is answer his question in post #110-- because beside the fact that it has a clearly obvious correct answer, you have to give a little if you want something. Or else deface'n'disgrace your opponent into submission.

I thought we had already done that particular spiel with Loran?

Can you believe this kid?

...Just get out.

Kommandant Nazischwein is giving me orders now

Almost all of this entire damn thing half-started with calling me scum

(..)
Don't call Kommandant Nazischwein scum, that is an order!

(..)

a read which you STILL haven't given much reasoning (or good reasoning) for

And there's his alter ego the fucking Judge .. he tells you if your reasons to find him scummy are good enough for him.
Well which reasons were that, exactly? I won't repeat myself just to see it digested through your derpy perspective. Do some digging through the pile of trash that you caused cause I'm done with playing fuck this thread up with you. Switch to single player. .. such a strange angry kid, jeez.

@PM, 5 games, wow. Why?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:40 am**

I propose 1 policy lynch then a proper lynch. With this many lurkers...
I'll reply fully later. I just did a big ass post in one of my other games.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:22 am**

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:cause I'm done with playing fuck this thread up with you. Switch to single player.

Does this mean you'll finally go away?

I thought we could just lynch you, since you're scum, but the lynch has so much resistance (a.k.a., you're scum) that we still can't be rid of you. I give up:

This is my official request to Irish that, if WotC could be used here,

Loranthaceae be force-replaced

. Then it will be another fucking uphill battle to get

that

player lynched, even though the slot is scum.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:35 am**

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:Gameplay elements that I've made conversation about: You not wanting to quicklynch but then wanting to quicklynch. You not wanting a lynch where no one can be held accountable but then wanting it so bad.
You claiming to know exactly what you're doing when being called out about it.

None of us want a lynch where no one can be held accountable. That would be fucking stupid, incredibly anti-town, in no way beneficial and in many ways harmful. Also, any lynch on you would now no longer be a "quicklynch," as I've been trying to get you lynched for several (rl) days.
These might be "gameplay elements you've made conversation about," but they are not "gameplay elements you pushed"

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:
↑ Voidedmafia wrote:You lose. Good day, sir.

and

Whiskers wrote:It is a loaded question. It's vague enough that you'll find a way to call him scum or town regardless of his answer. The least you could do is answer his question in post #110-- because beside the fact that it has a clearly obvious correct answer, you have to give a little if you want something. Or else deface'n'disgrace your opponent into submission.

I thought we had already done that particular spiel with Loran?

Can you believe this kid?

These are not "gameplay elements" you've commented on. They certainly aren't gameplay elements you've

pushed

.
Is there something I should be able to not believe?

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:
...Just get out.

Kommandant Nazischwein is giving me orders now

Almost all of this entire damn thing half-started with calling me scum
(..)
Don't call Kommandant Nazischwein scum, that is an order!

How is this useful or progressing the game at all? You could just replace everything you say with "lol faggot" and it'd be as meaningful.

Also, you do that thing that you bitched so much about me doing, and broke up the sentence, (right in the middle!) to comment on.

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:(..)
a read which you STILL haven't given much reasoning (or good reasoning) for

And there's his alter ego the fucking Judge .. he tells you if your reasons to find him scummy are good enough for him.
Well which reasons were that, exactly?

Wait, you

had

reasons, somewhere in there?

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:I won't repeat myself just to see it digested through your derpy perspective.

Ah, that's a "no." Okay.

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:Do some digging through the pile of trash that you caused cause I'm done with playing fuck this thread up with you. Switch to single player. .. such a strange angry kid, jeez.

There's nothing wrong with the game

he's

playing. [/quote]

Now, you could comment on my post #125, where I ask you several questions, you could confirm my assessment in post #126, and you can tell me what you think of abasta101 and TheShadow.
Or please, at least call me a dictator for wanting you to be reasonable.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:15 am**

Come to think of it Voided was defensive when I accused him of being a hypocrite and wanting a quicklynch on me (he posted while I was L-1, retracted his vote only some time later). He probably realized that much more light would be shed on his opportunistic and hypocrite agenda if the lynch would go through right then.

VOTE: VoidedMafia

I'll be diplomatic while continuing to have fun with you:

Spoiler: Troublemakers Quarantine; This spoiler is for THE two only and is obviously not game relevant material anymore, but since they won't shut up and make it this personal who is to say I have to be more mature then they. Quoting anything out of this spoiler should be seen as an act to willingly disturb everyone and should be punished with a replacement.

Hello, you are annoying everyone. You are both obnoxious with your insane amount of extremely long posts which don't have half the game relevant material that mine do.. and I will show you by taking every post apart and weighing the amount of bullshit in word output. Either a) you're scum and taking it too far, b) you are playing dumb because it somehow gets you off, c) or my reasons to believe you are "insert insult about mental capacity here" are justified. Regardless, this is the quarantine and you will respect it as the only place where it's allowed to make any type of comment that could potentially, even remotely be the tiniest bit of unfriendly towards me.
It's where we can debate how much each of us has contributed for example. Because saying stuff like "Make yourself useful", or "I want you replaced" would be way to conflict-instigating for the thread and tiring for the players to read this is where we isolate our little thing because I will not be held accountable for your foolishness any longer.

@Whiskers.. so which one of the 3 reason I enumerated was the driving momentum when you failed to realize that me quoting the childish behavior of Voided, who in his questionable sanity declared himself victorious in having me defeated and "deface'n'disgraced into submission" wasn't part of the enumeration of gameplay specific elements anymore? Should I have alerted your attention in this regard by writing "STOP" in huge red letters, so the mod would have reason to warn me, right before that quote?
Do you even realize that you just made up shit to blabber about by saying this:

These are not "gameplay elements" you've commented on. They certainly aren't gameplay elements you've pushed .

YOU DON'T SAY! So if you get that it's not part of that enumeration .. WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO MAKE A POST ABOUT IT?! .. and quote that shit all over again, huh?! And what is with this question follow-up

Is there something I should be able to not believe?

Explain if you can.. I'm getting some popcorn.

Idn what to say Whiskers about quoting my stuff just to ask these stupid questions with obvious answers:

How is this useful or progressing the game at all? You could just replace everything you say with "lol faggot" and it'd be as meaningful.

IT IS NOT progressing the game DUH! You should know since you have tons of shit like this in your repertoire including repeated threats and demands to have me replaced.. because that's how nice, civilized and gameprogressing you are. I wanted you replaced from the very start when you said that stupid shit about mafia wanting to stall the gamestart. Now that's some Jewel of intelligence right there. Do mafia have day talk, hmm? NO! Do you want to get town credit for being stupid and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about .. I think maybe, you have the qualities for both options (you derped or you want town cred) to be true: sneakiness and lack of intelligence. And you are not progressing the game by quoting exactly the part that is not progressing the game. You are amplifying, exponentially augmenting the lack of progress. WHY?! a, b or c?

Also, you do that thing that you bitched so much about me doing, and broke up the sentence, (right in the middle!) to comment on

I am in fact mirror-mocking you two for even considering that this bullshit is a permissible way to post. I stopped being serious about the two of you some while ago ohh is this news to you? You honestly considered I took horseshit like what I've mentioned above as gameplay elements, posts to be taken seriously? No way, you honestly did?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:08 am**

CryMeARiver has replaced Xofelf

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:25 am**

Voided's childish behavouir is indicative of [being childish], not of [being scum].

Scum stall daystart because: They generally get to talk in their scum QT until day starts. I know what I'm talking about.

Why do I have to choose a, b, or c, when you later announce that they're bullshit too? That they aren't serious? Or, are "a, b, or c," listed somewhere, if that's not what they are? because none of the apparently-bullshit gameplay reasons fit as an explanation here, and there's only two of "stupid or tricky," and I don't know where else to look for "a, b, or c."

If they aren't serious, then you really have done NO scumhunting or analysis all game. I guess that's good to know.

Are you averse to making a useful post and taking the game seriously? I've been taking the game seriously the whole time. If you really aren't taking the game seriously, why won't you replace out so that people who are can enjoy it?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:29 am**

Omg!!!!!
VOTE: Lora
Just die!

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:34 am**

... If i've counted right absta just hammered.
I'm keeping this in mind.

Just saying, and also i came back to find the thread 3 PAGES LONGER than last time i read. WOW.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:50 am**

Did I?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:01 am**

I think. I'll re-count now.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:08 am**

↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.02

(...)

Loranthaceae: Whiskers, Venrob, TheShadow (L-2)

(...)

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:
(..............)

Vote: Loran

↑ absta101 wrote:Omg!!!!!
VOTE: Lora
Just die!

If i didnt miss any unvotes, you hammered.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:12 am**

↑ Whiskers wrote:
Vote: Loranthaceae

↑ Venrob wrote:VOTE: lor

↑ TheShadow wrote:VOTE: Loran

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:
Vote: Loran

↑ absta101 wrote:VOTE: Lora

That in mind, I'm going to do a votecount with ALL the votes: we're likely as not to have already hammered somepony before Lora, and therefore ended the Day with this lynch. Here's to hoping otherwise, but with a votecount once every several days, in a game like this where keeping track of the votes is extra important, who knows?

Also: absta101: please answer my questions and respond to my post about you.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:13 am**

Sorry: "several days" is inaccurate. Time goes by faster for me when I'm playing mafia, and I thought we had three or four days since our last votecount.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:21 am**

CAT-BASED UN-OFFICIAL VOTE-COUNT (First Hammer Edition)

Guy_Named_Riggs: (L-5)
Loranthaceae: Whiskers, Venrob, TheShadow, VoidedMafia, absta101 (L-0) Lynch
PMysterious: TheShadow, Loranthaceae, absta101(L-2)
Absta101: Whiskers, (L-4)
TheShadow: VoidedMafia, Venrob, Whiskers, Loranthaceae, (L-1)
Venrob: Whiskers (L-4)
VoidedMafia: absta101, Loranthaceae (L-3)
Whiskers: (L-5)
Xofelf: (L-5)

Also,

Unvote: TheShadow

, (thereby voiding this votecount,

already,

) but my Hoof Of Suspicion is still pointed at him.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:26 am**

I will dw.
Btw, are you a furry or something?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:52 am**

Loranthaceae wrote:Gameplay elements that I've made conversation about: You not wanting to quicklynch but then wanting to quicklynch.

Already answered and addressed.

You not wanting a lynch where no one can be held accountable but then wanting it so bad.

Already answered and addressed. Also false.

You claiming to know exactly what you're doing when being called out about it.

Wut?

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:

You lose. Good day, sir.

Can you believe this kid?

When you failed as hard as you did.

Almost all of this entire damn thing half-started with calling me scum
(..)
Don't call Kommandant Nazischwein scum, that is an order!

When you don't even give a damn reason, yeah, you don't get to call me scum.

(..)
a read which you STILL haven't given much reasoning (or good reasoning) for

And there's his alter ego the fucking Judge .. he tells you if your reasons to find him scummy are good enough for him.

I can't do that if I don't even have reasons to "judge".

Well which reasons were that, exactly? I won't repeat myself just to see it digested through your derpy perspective. Do some digging through the pile of trash that you caused cause I'm done with playing fuck this thread up with you. Switch to single player. .. such a strange angry kid, jeez.

So, is this is your way of trying to save your dignity?

↑ Loranthaceae wrote:Come to think of it Voided was defensive when I accused him of being a hypocrite and wanting a quicklynch on me (he posted while I was L-1, retracted his vote only some time later). He probably realized that much more light would be shed on his opportunistic and hypocrite agenda if the lynch would go through right then.

...Dude, if you read the post where I unvoted, you'd know the answer to this. Don't misrep me

Troublemakers Quarantine; This spoiler is for THE two only and is obviously not game relevant material anymore, but since they won't shut up and make it this personal who is to say I have to be more mature then they. Quoting anything out of this spoiler should be seen as an act to willingly disturb everyone and should be punished with a replacement.

Lol.

Hello, you are annoying everyone.

No, I think a couple people actually like us more than you. I mean, considering you just got hammered I think they like us more than they like you.

You are both obnoxious with your insane amount of extremely long posts which don't have half the game relevant material that mine do..

Lol.

[/quote]Either a) you're scum and taking it too far, b) you are playing dumb because it somehow gets you off, c) or my reasons to believe you are "insert insult about mental capacity here" are justified.[/quote]
More lolz.

Regardless, this is the quarantine and you will respect it as the only place where it's allowed to make any type of comment that could potentially, even remotely be the tiniest bit of unfriendly towards me.

hmmm, no.

It's where we can debate how much each of us has contributed for example. Because saying stuff like "Make yourself useful", or "I want you replaced" would be way to conflict-instigating for the thread and tiring for the players to read this is where we isolate our little thing because I will not be held accountable for your foolishness any longer.

No, you're stupid for ignoring all requests for proper content and instead attacking Whiskers and me directly when we (rightfully) question your willing descent into being a VI because i, at least, don't join games to have people like you or TheShadow come in and be absolute derps that do jackshit. (No, shadow, you have NOT done anything this game, don't even try to say you have.)

"conflict-instigating"? That's kinda the

whole point

(well, not the conflict we had for three pages, but yeah). How the hell else are we supposed to lynch scum if shit doesn't happen?

[quoete]

These are not "gameplay elements" you've commented on. They certainly aren't gameplay elements you've pushed .

YOU DON'T SAY! So if you get that it's not part of that enumeration .. WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU TO MAKE A POST ABOUT IT?![/quote]
Oh, so you admit you're useless this game? Wow, you just won us that argument.

Also, it's our duty to make sure you're posting things that help the town catch scum. GOing off on AtE tangents because you're not getting your way or because you're throwing a hissy fit don't help town, and that can't be in games.

Idn what to say Whiskers about quoting my stuff just to ask these stupid questions with obvious answers:

How is this useful or progressing the game at all? You could just replace everything you say with "lol faggot" and it'd be as meaningful.
IT IS NOT progressing the game DUH! You should know since you have tons of shit like this in your repertoire including repeated threats and demands to have me replaced.. because that's how nice, civilized and gameprogressing you are.

Oh, wow, he CONTINUES to prove our points, Whiskers! We should've kept him around some more since he's useful in making us right (and more town) by the minute! (okay, maybe not more town).

Do you want to get town credit for being stupid and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about ..

And you think you know more about playing on MS than two people who have been here for at least a year?

I am in fact mirror-mocking you two for even considering that this bullshit is a permissible way to post. I stopped being serious about the two of you some while ago ohh is this news to you? You honestly considered I took horseshit like what I've mentioned above as gameplay elements, posts to be taken seriously? No way, you honestly did?[/spoiler]
Well, I already told you that I'm not going to quote the entire damn post and respond that way. Way more confusing.

Whiskers wrote:Voided's childish behavouir is indicative of [being childish], not of [being scum].

That hurts, Whisky...

Venrob: Where have YOU been?

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:02 am**

↑ absta101 wrote:I will dw.
Btw, are you a furry or something?

She's a brony, boi. Don't go dissing MLP lovers, now.

Also, yes, I know Loran was lynched, I just hope something gets to his brain.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:08 am**

Spoiler: I'm a fucking unicorn.

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:20 am**

↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:
CryMeARiver has replaced Xofelf

Still don't have my role...

Posted: **Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:01 am**

↑ CryMeARiver wrote:
↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:
CryMeARiver has replaced Xofelf

Still don't have my role...

Welcome, new one, to our joyous game where we all love one another and everything is as normal as it gets. Have fun and good luck.

Spoiler: Troublemakers Quarantine (now includes absta)

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