The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[curiouskarmadog]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=14490
Day one unvote, with no revote..(because I was behind) (post 173)
Attacked for unvoting (but for different reason than this game) (180)

My reply (192)

Attacked for not keeping my vote (for the similar reasons as this game. (198)

Side note: was attacked by scum, I was a town cop.

EDIT, you have already referenced this game....you failed to mention however I was attacked for not leaving my vote while being busy “what were you afraid was going to happen”?

Now I think about it, why is this any different than not revoting here…I had a reason there and I had a reason here. Or at least I think I did.

Anyway, as I mentioned I don’t have much time…there are two games I remember doing this. I will look if I have the time…I have been in over 70 fucking games…so if it is really something you think you should vote me over…go ahead. Because not only when I find the game, I have to find out why I did which means reading a bunch of pages. But while I am looking for these games, I am not reading the 2 games I am currently in. a lot of my old games I didn’t link, so that is going to be harder.

Anyway, I haven’t caught up in here,

EDIT:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13699

Okay found another quickly,

Unvote (157) at the time there were 5 votes, with 11 to lynch. (note: I actually thought he was scum when I initially voted in that game, this game was just a random vote.)
Did not revote until 188.

I was vanilla town in that game. (side note: abr was in that game)

Do I need to keep going..that is now 3 games where I have done it….or is there some reason this game is not good enough too?

Zden, how far did you go back, I am curious?

[Zdenek]

I don't have time to address everything now:

EDIT, you have already referenced this game...

I don't think I did.

Do I need to keep going..that is now 3 games where I have done it

That's fine.

Zden, how far did you go back, I am curious?

I stopped reviewing back games with Mafia on Holy Orders

I used user -> view their topics.

[curiouskarmadog]

Now I am just pissed.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=13044

Unvote 69, again with no revote
Voted 107


My god, this is actually much easier than I thought it would be

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 46&start=0

Unvote 70, again with no revote
Voted 87

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12697

Unvote 137, again with no revote
Voted 315, again also pressured to revote and was questioned about my lack of vote (by scum)



Okay that is it…neither of these games are the games I am thinking of either. Disclaimer, I am pretty sure all these games my unvote happened in day 1….but like I said, I really don’t have time to read them fully to see what was going on or reasons. But read them for yourself.

All of them were linked on my page…

Thoughts Zden?

Now I read some of these games…seems like something that scum likes to jump on.

Your turn,

If I missed this, please quote again, what is scum’s motivation for unvoting and not revoting? you went waaaaay out of your way to look this up, so something must seem scummy. What? take a look (or relook) on the games where scum attacked me for not revoting after an unvote….in my shoes what reaction should I have to this? I will throw you a bone though, to be fair the game with rofl, whoever was attacking me (maybe him?) was town.

The reason I am not voting you now is a.) I have had town attack me for unvoting….and b.) you meta-ed me to see if I was lying. No scum in the past that has attacked me for this, went back to see if I do it regularly or not.

Right now, on the fence about you….but leaning town…I appreciate a good meta-er. That being said I still want the question answered.


Now I have wasted too much time on this crap

[curiouskarmadog]

it was game 250, you did reference it.

[Zdenek]

it was game 250, you did reference it.

The link goes to Mad World Mafia.

[ICEninja]

While I like to have my vote on someone, I think it's kind of pointless to go after someone for unvoting so long as they're still scum hunting. It's having no vote while not scum hunting (or planting a lame vote while not scum hunting) that ticks my scumdar.

While I'm not inherently saying CKD is town, his next 2 posts after unvoting were content-ful, and involved scum hunting.

[fatlikepig]

Well yes, it did create discussion... we had a player at L-2 with no discussion and quick votes, so I put him at L-1 knowing this would cause people to talk, and I thought that the ones who would come out quickly and push it would be scum, knowing they could capitalize on this and push a lynch based on it.

That's why you /totally/ called out GreyICE when he continued to call ICENinja obvscum, right? Or, like, greenknight and StefanB when they kept talking about why their ICENinja votes were legitimate?

I think you're lying.

Also, #137 is inconsistent with #134.

Waiting on more people joining it, so you can justify your vote, eh? no commitment from you

Like, does that read as null-town to you? No, didn't think so.

VOTE: jasont1981 (L-3 I think?)

@fatlikepig - if you think that Jason "attitude here is awful and scummy", why didn't you vote him, just unvoted ICEninja?

Eh, sort of wanted more to go on before I wagoned someone, since the thing I pointed out is something that... newer? (for lack of a better term) town does occasionally too (and if I recall correctly, someone said that Jason gets mislynched a lot as town).

FLP: People that come in, leave what appears to be a serious vote, and leave without saying anything at all, weird me out.

So, does that mean scum, or what?

Pidgey's #128 and #131 look pretty bad too. #128 seems like avoiding having to justify his Jason vote (ignoring GreyICE's point that anti-town =/= scum). #131 is mudslingy and sounds contrived.

I don't understand this whole Konowa business. #122 is goodposting, tbh.

[fatlikepig]

oh jesus.

i need to stop using like so often in my posts, too.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.4 - As of post 158

Shmugen (1) - jasonT1981
ICENinja (5) - Zdenek, Konowa, Sixty, StefanB, Klick
pidgey (2) - Kimor, GreyICE
Klick (1) - curiouskarmadog
Konowa (1) - ICENinja
greenknight (1) - Albert B. Rampage
jasonT1981 (7) - Shmugen, Shamrock, pidgey, greenknight, kortul, sword_of_omens, fatlikepig

The Current deadline is Wednesday, Novemeber 7 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-07 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

Mod Notes -
curiouskarmadog is V/LA til 10-24.

[StefanB]

Okay Proddoge, will reread later.
Exspect a post in 2-3 hours max.

[Konowa]

Also, I didn't say you claimed yours was the first serious one, I just can't possible see any of the votes before yours as serious.

Here we go. Now at least I understand where this all is coming from. I read Zdenek's vote as serious based exactly on what he said, "easy mode on". As in, scum already found on page one. This has put ICEninja in a new light and I'm going to have to go back with this in mind.

Question: How exactly am I trying to play what off?

I'll try and get around to this CKD stuff later tonight or tomorrow.

[ICEninja]

Question: How exactly am I trying to play what off?

You dropped a vote without comment that you could have easily claimed was either serious or not serious. You popped back in a few pages later, saw how easily it would be to just say "oh yup it was a serious vote and oh yup he's still scum" and just park your vote there.

While I realize that my pressure on you forces you to spend extra time responding to me, the lack of pressure from anywhere else in town (seriously, am I crazy? Am I REALLY the only one who sees this?) wouldn't exactly force you to scum hunt beyond the bare minimum.

[StefanB]

Okay, ICENinja does look more townie now.

Unvote

About the rest of this game. Jason looks scummy, but he went after Smugen, who is a good target.

Smugens vote for JasonsL-1 is okay, the rest active lurking.
Scumhunting? No.
The only think I find is that think with GreyIce.
Smugen any other suspect except Jason, any opinion on other players not called Jason. (That you seem to think not higly of GreyIce doesn't count. It is a stretch, but I would call the discusion more loking like Smugen thinks Grey is town)

Pidgey: Orginally was going after Pidgey also, but after rereading the ISO Pidgey is actually okay.

So Smugen, Jason want to make this easier?
(Well I leave this without a vote and having to many people I can't remember.

CKD: Thanks for the answer, thanks.
Made sense.

[kortul]

@ICEninja

, for the record, i also thought that Zdenek vote wasn't random, based on his comment. Actually, have you played with Zdenek before? Regarding Konowa - if he said this was random vote again,

that

i wouldn't believe and find scummy.

@CKD

- looked through your links, convincing. Would like to hear your answer to my question in 135 too.

One more time, for those who played with ABR before - is it his usual playing style?

[Shmugen]

Stefan - I think quite highly of Grey most days. He's simply wrong here. It's early and it's a bastard game, I think a lot of players are playing more loosely, but I don't like the talk of Pidgey being obvscum after his first few posts, nor do I like seeing the deep meta analysis already. That might just be my style (or lack thereof). People are throwing cases at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Both ICE guys are town. Kortul is probably town. CKD wants me to read through a ton of stuff that I haven't done yet.

[ICEninja]

for the record, i also thought that Zdenek vote wasn't random, based on his comment.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how that could have been considered a serious vote? I really just don't see any justification.

Actually, have you played with Zdenek before?

I think I have, but there aren't very many players who I remember very well.

[kortul]

Well, i am playing with him in another game now, and have an impression that his play stile is aggressive. So seeing his comment combined with the fact that i didn't like your first post myself, i had no doubts the vote was already serious.

[greenknight]

for the record, i also thought that Zdenek vote wasn't random, based on his comment.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how that could have been considered a serious vote? I really just don't see any justification.

Well, in my opinion none of the votes on you were random, even if they were unexplained. You made an opening post that stuck out like a sore thumb and could have been scum trying too hard to look pro-town, and that's why people jumped on you. I don't think you are scum currently, because you genuinely appear to have no idea why your post would have been read as scummy. I had another look at the various votes and the only one that really stood out to me was Jason, not so much because of the vote but because of the way he explained it later.

[pidgey]

FLP- i guess i can see why you would think its shady of me so lemme rephrase what i wanted to know about the slot i questioned:

Has anyone played with him and is his small post history normal metawise?

[Konowa]

Alright, so after re-reading with ICEninja's failure to recognize votes on him as serious I'm more null on him. I think scum would've been more self-concious.

Jason's "L-1 gambit" in and of itself is not bad. It's the complete lack of any follow through with said reaction test. Seems more like just a justification for his behavior.

unvote;
Vote: jasont1981

Still don't understand Kimor's opening post regarding votes on kondi. Please follow through on this Kimor. You later explaination seems more as a chastisement of people getting down on kondi for being kondi, whereas your opening post reads more as you calling people scum for calling kondi being kondi.

[ICEninja]

greenknight:
PLEASE GET AN AVATAR. I already asked you nicely.

[Klick]

greenknight, you should use this for your avatar:



Real post will come soon.

[GreyICE]

Alright, so after re-reading with ICEninja's failure to recognize votes on him as serious I'm more null on him. I think scum would've been more self-concious.

Jason's "L-1 gambit" in and of itself is not bad. It's the complete lack of any follow through with said reaction test. Seems more like just a justification for his behavior.

unvote;
Vote: jasont1981

Still don't understand Kimor's opening post regarding votes on kondi. Please follow through on this Kimor. You later explaination seems more as a chastisement of people getting down on kondi for being kondi, whereas your opening post reads more as you calling people scum for calling kondi being kondi.

What the hell is up with this wagon?

It literally makes no sense to me.

[GreyICE]

Actually fuck this.

ICENinja's response to pressure is to switch his vote THREE MOTHERFUCKING TIMES.

And now the people who speed voted him for being OBVIOUS SCUM are coming in to jump on the Jason wagon with the worst reasoning ever.

Vote: ICENinja

We will do this.

[fatlikepig]

People are throwing cases at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Specifically which people/cases?