Mini 1398 - Game Over!

[Alduskkel]

Vote Count #6

ICEninja (3) - McStab, Dunhamganger, Mirhawk
Dire_Drenz (3) - Disturbed_One, iamausername, ICEninja
Disturbed_One (2) - jmo16mla, Dire_Drenz
Bacde (1) - Nachomamma8
McStab (1) - RedRabbit
Nachomamma8 (1) - Bacde

Not Voting (2) - Shamrock, absta101

Deadline is in: (expired on 2012-12-15 00:00:00)

13 alive, 7 to lynch.

[Disturbed_One]

I agree with Nacho that Bacde is scum. He decided to keep trying to mislynch me and JMO instead of pressuring a player who has made some terrible posts, Dire_Drenz. Also, the Nacho vote is horrible. I'm not buying the whole argument that Nacho wanted to make sure that others were suspicious of Bacde before voting. That seems like really awful reasoning.

I'd like to hear more from Dire_Drenz.

[Disturbed_One]

Come to think of it, I'd like to hear more from Sham as well.

[jmo16mla]

Nachomamma8's reaction is scummy as butt. More votes on Nachomamma plz

How?

[Dire_Drenz]

Replacing out, good call.

Either way, my poor play only helps the scum and that's the last thing I'd want.

[McStab]

Sorry for my lack of posting recently, I've been very busy. I'll be making a post that both catches up with current events and explains my reasoning on viewing IceNinja scum tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

or you could always read page 6 and put your vote on Bacde!
that's probably the best bet.

[ICEninja]

*tipsy warning. I may be completely retarded tonight*

I'm not sure how I feel about Dire asking for a replacement. I've seen scum caught early ask for a replacement just because they know they're fucked, but him asking for a replacement sort of fits with the situation with him being town. I think I'm going to

heavily

scrutinize that slot for the time being, and will leave my vote there for now.

Disturbed continues to confuse me with making stupid plays but sounding so sincere and genuine doing them. I want so bad to think this guy is scum, but while logic is screaming at me that he is, gut is telling me that he's town. I think for the time being he's off my acceptable day 1 lynches list, but I will be watching.

I'm almost as conflicted about Bacde as I am about Disturbed. Some of Bacde's suspicions and points have been fantastic, but I don't

at all

like his reaction to Nacho. This may sound strange, but Nacho coming in saying I'm scum then realizing I'm town after rereading me (when I was a strong wagon candidate) reads as very town to me. Maybe it's bias, maybe its rum, but I really have a hard time seeing town do that so Bacde's reaction to Nacho feels somewhat contrived to me. And Bacde reacting as he did to someone who reads town to me just feels icky. If I have time and inclination, I'll do a little meta research to see if Bacde is a particularly good player. If he is, then scum Bacde would have been able to make great logical points like he has. Otherwise, I'll probably give him the benefit of the doubt and like his scum hunting for now.

Early I felt jmo was scummy, but his recent posts just give me a very strong difficult to explain town read. If anyone still has votes on that guy they should take it off.

McStab better have something good to post tomorrow, that's all I have to say about that.

[Disturbed_One]

ICEninja, I feel exactly the same way about Dire_Drenz. His replacing out of the game seems a bit forced, mostly because we've told him that he should. I will definitely be keeping my eye on that slot.

I've definitely made some stupid plays for sure, in fact I'm not even going to try and excuse that and act like it doesn't matter. Because it does matter. Unfortunately, I can't re-do what I did in the past. I had reads and I went for them, sometimes with very poor logic. I think if you really analyze everything I've done though, it should be clear my intention is very much so to hunt the scum. And I do think I am improving at this. I feel proud of my Dire_Drenz vote and feel it was very good. Hopefully, this will be a trend of good scum hunting from me now that things have really taken off.

Seeing as Dire_Drenz is replacing out.

Unvote: Dire_Drenz
Vote: Bacde

[Nachomamma8]

His replacing out of the game seems a bit forced, mostly because we've told him that he should.

It seems genuine to me. If he was scum and intentionally lurking, then it's his strategy and he probably won't replace out no matter how much we ask him to. If the lurking is not game-related, then sure, he can replace out. It doesn't necessarily make him town, but it definitely doesn't make him scum.

[Bacde]

Nachomamma8's reaction is scummy as butt. More votes on Nachomamma plz

How?

His reaction is forced and also consists of just an appeal to emotion ("hahahahaha"). He asks me if I saw that other people voted for Disturbed earlier in the game as though that somehow weakens my case against him. That's just a distraction tactic. I voted Disturbed earlier in this game based on my own case, not on the case of others.

Also note that Disturbed argued that I tried to mislynch him and jmo, when its been pretty clear that I don't read jmo as scum. I don't understand why anybody can think that Disturbed is being genuine when he misrepresents situations such as that.

@ICEninja: What about Nacho besides his townread of you makes you think he is town? He has, until recently, been lurking.

[Disturbed_One]

@ Nacho:

I didn't say it makes him scum. All I said is I'd be keeping an eye on that slot. I do not suspect him any more or less because he is replacing.

@ Bacde:

I'm not trying to misrepresent you, but didn't you say that you felt that either myself or JMO was scum? If that has changed, I was not aware it had.

[Nachomamma8]

His reaction is forced and also consists of just an appeal to emotion ("hahahahaha"). He asks me if I saw that other people voted for Disturbed earlier in the game as though that somehow weakens my case against him. That's just a distraction tactic. I voted Disturbed earlier in this game based on my own case, not on the case of others.

Your case on me was that I made sure someone else was suspicious of you before I voted, which is something you extrapolated from me saying that I noticed absta was suspicious of you before. So, I'm asking you if you noticed people voting for Disturbed before you voted him. If you didn't, then it'd certainly explain a lot of your play this game, but I would like an explanation as to why you ignored votecounts for forever and a half, and didn't express surprise when you learned other people were voting you. If you did, then you need to explain why the same answer to the same question makes me scum and you town. My using the absta case as my own was not your original point, so don't try to refine your suspicion now; the original accusation was that I made sure other people were suspicious of you before I voted you, and that made me scum. So let's try and address that before you make something else up.

If you thought it was a distraction tactic, then why did you dodge my question instead of point it out as a distraction tactic and explain why it is one? Better yet, you could have just called my question unreasonable, given a reason why it was unreasonable, ANSWERED IT, etc.

@ICEninja: What about Nacho besides his townread of you makes you think he is town? He has, until recently, been lurking.

You tried to say I was lurking before, and someone already corrected you and told you I was V/LA. The mod has said, from the start of the game, that I was V/LA. Why do you keep ignoring it?

[Bacde]

@Nacho what do you mean "refine my suspicion"? I've been explaining why you are scum, and its ok to have more than one reason. And the two reasons of "wait for suspicion to be ok" and "use someone else's case" pretty much tie together. Did you seriously just admit that you were using absta's case as your own?

I did answer your question, by the way, in my last post.

TBH Lurking isn't a good scumtell but you being overly defensive about it is scummy as balls. I didn't remember that you were V/LA, I just noticed you hadn't posted during my ISO of you.

@Disturbed the way you interacted with jmo seemed like a scumvtown interaction. Show me where I ever suspected jmo and I'll eat my hat.

[Bacde]

And before you misconstrue me again: I asked ICEninja about his read on you and mentioned that you were lurking to point out that there isn't much to townread you, but there is a whole lot to scumread you.

[ICEninja]

Sober me agrees with everything tipsy me said. Whew that's a relief.

Disturbed's 158 feels a little bit like trying to milk me for a town read, but dammit once again it feels sincere. Can you please stop doing scummy things while looking so town doing them?

@ICEninja: What about Nacho besides his townread of you makes you think he is town? He has, until recently, been lurking.

Sigh. If you REALLY need me to respond to this I will, but I simply shouldn't have to.

[Nachomamma8]

what do you mean "refine my suspicion"? I've been explaining why you are scum, and its ok to have more than one reason. And the two reasons of "wait for suspicion to be ok" and "use someone else's case" pretty much tie together.

Refine your suspicion as in you attack me for doing one thing, and then when I call bullshit on it, you skip around and accuse me of something else. It's okay to have more than one reason, but having a second reason doesn't mean you can neglect backing up the first.

Did you seriously just admit that you were using absta's case as your own?

Quote any place where absta or I suspect you for the same reason.

I did answer your question, by the way, in my last post.

If you did, then you need to explain why the same answer to the same question makes me scum and you town. My using the absta case as my own was not your original point, so don't try to refine your suspicion now; the original accusation was that I made sure other people were suspicious of you before I voted you, and that made me scum. So let's try and address that before you make something else up.

there isn't much to townread you, but there is a whole lot to scumread you.

how does this work?

[Bacde]

My using the absta case as my own was not your original point, so don't try to refine your suspicion now; the original accusation was that I made sure other people were suspicious of you before I voted you, and that made me scum. So let's try and address that before you make something else up.

Seems like a slip to me. "My using the absta case as my own"

And I don't see where I skipped around your points? I've been addressing them, so don't act like I'm not. What do you want to talk about how you made sure other people were suspicious before plopping down a vote?

I'm not really interested in defending me being town right now. I'm much more interested in lynching scum you.

[Nachomamma8]

Seems like a slip to me. "My using the absta case as my own"

Was that not the second point you brought up against me?

And I don't see where I skipped around your points? I've been addressing them, so don't act like I'm not.

I'm not really interested in defending me being town right now. I'm much more interested in lynching scum you.

Hmmm.

[absta101]

@Bacde

@absta I'm glad you noticed me. Whats your read on Mir and Dun?

Mir is suspicious for that awkward question but not scummy. Dun is a slight town read due to the post I agree with.

@absta have you ever played with Dun before? What about my post seems fake?

I would expect town to 'pick a side' or elaborate on what's interesting about the argument (say something). You did neither, it looked like you were sitting on the fence trying to look like you were somehow investigating.
Otherwise, it was mostly gut.

I don't like the fact that you asked me (your town read) this question instead of Disturbed (your scum read) who agreed with my " nice find". Town are interested in catching out their suspects when they bs, you show no interest in that.
VOTE: Bacde

[absta101]

Replacing out, good call.

Either way, my poor play only helps the scum and that's the last thing I'd want.

Town read.

[absta101]

@Nacho - Why are you voting Bacde?

[Bacde]

@absta I'm much more interested in hearing the opinions of people I don't expect to lie to me.

[Nachomamma8]

I originally voted Bacde for his attacks on Ice, which was suspecting him of what was pretty much OMGUS when he had just got done calling it null, and his Disturbed/jmo false dichotomy. Saying that he found jmo town and disturbed scum but overall found the argument to be scumvtown felt to me that he was posturing to push jmo for scum after Disturbed flipped, which was especially scummy because he went for one popular mislynch (disturbed), while defending the other (jmo), but allowed for an easy flipflop after the first mislynch. Lately, it's more for his latest push on me. I think his assumption that me noticing you suspected him before I voted him means that I was making sure other people suspected him before I voted him is unreasonable, I find his initial refusal to answer my question to him (which he asked me originally) cagey, and the answering without answering bullshit in his most recent response similarly cagey. I don't like how he tagged on the "Nacho is using the absta case as his own" bit after he dodged the first question because it's obviously inaccurate and seemed like he was squirming after I called him out on his original bullshit point. I don't like how he keeps forgetting that I've been V/LA, and instead of admitting that he's wrong, he attempts to save face by finding a new way to call me scum afterwards.

[Bacde]

I admit that I was wrong about you lurking. You were actually V/LA.