↑Shadoweh wrote:I don't know what BoP means. And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if you personally had tunneled as scum on the best available player, because you usually have an attitude and overbrimming confidence. How terrible of me to have expected you to be trying great things instead of letting you sleep in like posting is ruining your beauty sleep. Instead of asking me what poor little Benmage could possibly do, just do something awesome or get on the rope.
Burden of Proficiency. You're attacking him because "OMG Benmage hasn't corralled the scum already." It's a logical fallacy and using it as the basis to say someone is scum is quite scummy.
Yeah this^.
↑Shadoweh wrote:The gist of what I said is still the same though. I said he was doing nothing but rp complaining.
All I've done in that post is explained it better.
Isn't that all this game is....Statements, back n forths, restatements....discussion...etcetc
↑Shadoweh wrote:Actually addressing continued Benmaging:
I've never seen scum successfully hide behind Roleplaying. I've rarely seen scum be motivated enough to try in the first place. Making up reads + trying to make them sound in character = :effort: More people should be forced to keep up stupid rp gimmicks just to see if they can keep it up.
The RP-ing alone isn't scummy. But it is annoying, and I can see scum hiding their motives behind. Now SAD's is fairly discernible, but still frustrating. I may also be a little sensitive to these things after cow's *spread arms wide*
Which btw camn, doesn't look like a PR, as pretty sure he broke 'character' in his red text.
↑Shadoweh wrote:Commenting that SAD and Cerulean are townie is a waste of time here, more talk about people that can actually be scum.
hang on, what? when is it ever a waste of time to comment on townreads?
Actually that read fairly townish from Shadow.... Cerul does ready pretty obvious town, and I wager my best town read thus far (although that's just from my shitty reading at work).
The point Shadow was making is we don't need everyone putting in the facade of 'reading' people by naming Cerulean town.
↑Shadoweh wrote:Commenting that SAD and Cerulean are townie is a waste of time here, more talk about people that can actually be scum.
hang on, what? when is it ever a waste of time to comment on townreads?
Actually that read fairly townish from Shadow.... Cerul does ready pretty obvious town, and I wager my best town read thus far (although that's just from my shitty reading at work).
The point Shadow was making is we don't need everyone putting in the facade of 'reading' people by naming Cerulean town.
no, it sounds like he really doesn't want anyone to become a universal townread. you know who doesn't like a lot of universal townreads running around? scum. if everyone thinks cerulean is town then everyone should say they think cerulean is town.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:51 am
by ChannelDelibird
People stating opinions is a good thing. It ties them to those opinions for later.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:52 am
by TheGreatestAmericanHero
↑ChannelDelibird wrote:People stating opinions is a good thing. It ties them to those opinions for later.
↑Shadoweh wrote:outright having to tell people he wasn't going to be super active in a game.
Lost me on this one...What's it mean?
Weather Mafia II. Since it's impossible to direct link I'll just quote it.
"FYI This game with feature an atypical Benmage. I'm busier with life. I'm in less mafia. I'm a bit burnt out, but not spent yet. (Plus this one looked fun). So I don't want to hear any shit come d3/d4 zomg Benmage isn't playing like Benmage of old. (Get it out now, or get over it.) Activity will likely be in spurts, and much less dense."
That's what I thought you meant, but I don't really see how it is relevant... In that game I feared RL getting in the way. It ended up being a standard game for me, so that comment wasn't ever needed or valid. But I did want to also set a town precedent should the need for my gameplay to be significantly different arise again. I don't forsee my involvement in this game to be of too much concern as I am only in one other game, and don't plan on joining any others.
↑Shadoweh wrote:How terrible of me to have expected you to be trying great things instead of letting you sleep in like posting is ruining your beauty sleep. Instead of asking me what poor little Benmage could possibly do
It just comical considering what little has been done this game. Also I've been attacked by both scum and town, so consider it null but a recurring annoying theme about me starting games slow. The dragon will awaken as it always does. Period.
↑ChannelDelibird wrote:People stating opinions is a good thing. It ties them to those opinions for later.
qft
I'm not trying to stifle reads... And if you want to mention cerul as a town read go nuts... But time could be better spent analyzing the null reads. Thats my point at least.
Cerul has read town, like I said before. Does that mean ignore him, no.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:37 am
by camn
↑Benmage wrote:Which btw camn, doesn't look like a PR, as pretty sure he broke 'character' in his red text.
I'd like an answer from him just the same.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:40 am
by McStab
Nostredeus is scum. Brings up a bad idea WITH an implicit suggestion, that scum would have minor roles. This reads to me like scum who has a fakeclaim that isn't minor, thereby trying to divert suspicion from himself. Then he gives up the idea at the slightest pressure.
Vote: Nost
Also those attacking Ser Arthur Dayne really ought to question themselves as to how after seven pages of content the main scumread they have is on someone for talking in character, who obviously loves The Wire (any true fan of the Wire frequently quotes it and would be excitable about it).
That being said, I don't get a scumvibe from Benmage. I DO get a scumvibe from SafetyDance; but Nost is scummier.
Also GreatAmericanHero got townier since last time I posted.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:45 am
by Nostredeus
↑McStab wrote:Nostredeus is scum. Brings up a bad idea WITH an implicit suggestion, that scum would have minor roles. This reads to me like scum who has a fakeclaim that isn't minor, thereby trying to divert suspicion from himself. Then he gives up the idea at the slightest pressure.
So to be clear what you wanted to see happen there was me to not explain why I thought it was a good idea and then once proven wrong to keep pushing the idea?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:53 am
by ChannelDelibird
Nost struck me as pretty genuine in that exchange. Come vote SafetyDance instead, McStab.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:57 am
by Vifam
Shadoweh is town
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:59 am
by McStab
It's all about context. You tried to come across non-committed to it so that if you got called out for role fishing you'd have an alibi. But you managed to get swayed by one small, two or three sentence post that doesn't even address that issue solely?
Also yeah you jumped on the Shadoweh wagon in that post and then Shadoweh convinced you why it was a bad idea. So you voted for the person you presumed to be scummiest and then got convinced by said scummy person (without you changing your opinion on him, as evidenced by your 77/78 is still scummy comment) to change your idea?
Nostredeus is a rat, lynch him.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:00 am
by McStab
↑ChannelDelibird wrote:Nost struck me as pretty genuine in that exchange. Come vote SafetyDance instead, McStab.
No, and for the record, if Nostredeus flips scum lynch CDB next. CDB on his own doesn't warrant a vote, but associatively he and Nost would make a good scumteam.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:04 am
by ChannelDelibird
OK, McStab's barking up the wrong tree with gusto but looks to be approaching it from a town mindset.
↑McStab wrote:It's all about context. You tried to come across non-committed to it so that if you got called out for role fishing you'd have an alibi. But you managed to get swayed by one small, two or three sentence post that doesn't even address that issue solely?
I asked for thoughts, I got some, I responded appropriately. The "one small, two or three sentence post" both addresses the idea and shows it to be a really bad one, frankly you can't expect players to be right all of the time in this game and if you start lynching players for both putting out ideas and retracting bad ones we're screwed.
Also yeah you jumped on the Shadoweh wagon in that post and then Shadoweh convinced you why it was a bad idea. So you voted for the person you presumed to be scummiest and then got convinced by said scummy person (without you changing your opinion on him, as evidenced by your 77/78 is still scummy comment) to change your idea?
I'm not sure I'm reading this right but I think you're saying I was convinced my mass name claim idea was bad by someone I thought was scum, but in reality I should have been unconvinced by it not because it was unconvincing but because it was said by a scum read? If that's not what you are saying then sorry to misrep you but I think I've got that right.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:09 am
by Vifam
Dude step up your quote game
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 am
by ChannelDelibird
McStab:
As I say, Nost struck me as genuinely having thought of something that he thought might help, then immediately (and repeatedly - look how he got ticked off when more than people kept objecting after he'd got the point) realising that he hadn't thought it through properly. I don't think the psychology looks faked there. You clearly do and, being sure about it, you're going all in, now you're finding his partners before you've seen his flip. It's perfectly fine for his top suspect to point out to him that his idea was bad and for him to accept it, while continue to suspect him for other reasons. But because you're convinced you've caught him on something else, you're interpreting it as scummy.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 am
by Vifam
Stop BOLDING everything, separate some stuff
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:11 am
by ChannelDelibird
Nost - it would be easier to read you if you posted your own responses outside of quote tags, so that we can be sure what's come from you and what's from the person you're quoting. I know, you're bolding, but it's not as clear.