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↑ Varsoon wrote:I guess I'll have to agree to disagree at this point, mostly because our back and forth is a whole third of the game right now.

I would like to express two things, though:
I am town.
I am not an ally of Mutley's. In fact, I can't stand his posting style or how he's played the game so far. I'd probably have a vote on him now, if only to lynch him as a player, but I must put personal desires aside for what's best for town. I hope he's scum this game, so that if we lynch him, it'll be all the better.

↑ Varsoon wrote:

↑ RadiantCowbells wrote:

Vote: Mutley

Seriously douchebaggy style of play, not working towards town win condition, just trying to get himself a meta.
Or can he be replaced? I don't want to play with one potential town acting scummy all game so that he doesn't look scum when he is scum.

Very tempted to put a vote on him to lynch his playstyle, too, but Policy Lynching usually turns up town. :/

I'd rather get some real scumtells out of people.

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↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:What the hell is a meta? You guys take things more seriously than the other game it's only 3 pages of inactivity! Lighten up! Definitely looking at mist though as possible scum. Seemed an easy vote for a scum covered up in crappy reasoning. Trying to get a easy day 1 town lynch.

A meta is when a player plays a certain way over a series of games so that they can argue that it is simply their playing style.
For instance, I tend to be very thorough and I voice when player's personalities rub me the wrong way.
If I ever get called out on that, I'll tell them to look at my previous games and realize that's just how I play.

I do think that one person with a vote on you is scum.

↑ Varsoon wrote:

IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

I think we should seriously discuss the possibility of him being town or scum. Honestly, I'm null-leaning town right now, but my opinion is largely painted by how he reacted as well as his previous game.

↑ Varsoon wrote:Well, Paid Pyro, since I know that I am town, I know that people levying baseless arguments against me are more likely to be scum than other players.

So, by saying something like I did just earlier, or making other intentional missteps

, I'm inviting scum and town speculation.
It's helped me get better reads on people so far, and your reaction was pretty genuinely scummy.

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↑ Paid Pyro wrote:I don't know your town. So why should I believe you, cuz you said so? How many times have you professed your townieness this game?

Wait I think we should take a straw poll of everyone here. Everyone should claim. I wonder what the response will be. So please explain why I'm scummy, because I do t trust you?

You should believe that I'm town by evaluating all my posts so far and understanding that all of my motivations have town's interest at heart. When the Mutley wagon was started, I didn't slam my vote on another player in response, nor did I push the mutley wagon even more (although I could, and I could even hammer him at this point, but I won't, because I'm not scum and I'm not sure he's scum either). The point of playing town is to scumhunt and to make plays that are at town's best interest.

You're scummy because you fell for the bait. You were quick to make accusations of me, because I didn't jump on the wagon like everyone else. It's a scum tactic. Should scrutiny fall on me later, I'll be sure to defend myself and prove that I've got town's best interests at heart. If you were simply scumhunting, my earlier replies would have been enough to vindicate me, and if this reply doesn't do it for you, then you're truly grasping at straws.
The fact that your response to being called out as scum isn't to vindicate yourself, but to call me out even more as scum is pretty trashy, too. If you're town, stop making such baseless accusations. It does nothing for town.
You'll probably advocate a Mutley/Varsoon scumteam if it'll get lynches, because it seems like I'm defending him. Mutley could flip scum this game, but going from how he played his last game, and how he's playing this one, I'm less sure of him being scum than I am of other players who don't have such an outlandish playstyle.

↑ Varsoon wrote:The way I see it, Mutley should give us his reads right now and make a case for why he isn't scum.
Hopefully, it's more than him hammering himself like he did before.

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↑ Paid Pyro wrote:Hey DDDP, I think he's saying we're buddies. I guess we'll laugh it up in the QT later

Scumbluffing is not a town tactic.

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↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:sorry should have posted it before. So when I joke about being scum its harmful to town. When pyro does it its fine and not the same?

This. There's a fair deal of hypocrisy in this game.

↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:Wow we have a bunch of uptight people in here 4 pages prob about 15 posts by me and that's too much and harming the town. Nice....... Can't see how in 4 pages anyone could possibly actually be 'harming' the town. If I had only posted once or twice. Would you guys have had some huge leads then? No it's day 1 with 4 pages.

For me I'd say mist is my only mafia target at the moment. Covering it up by calling it a policy lynch etc even though its 3 pages in etc. just mafia covering for poor reasoning really IMO.

In terms on that meta thing varsoon I would really care enough to do that. Every game is different and I'd never actually look at other people's previous games. As while they could be useful I am sure people do that to trick people. They say oh look that's what I'm like etc or act different to their advantage. Eg they could say look how I was when I was scum in this game nothing like I am in this current game etc

I disagree, it's quite easy to completely alter the flow of the game within the first four pages. I wish that players would realize RVS isn't eons long and ends as soon as anyone makes worthwhile plays and that, as a pro-town player, people should try to make such plays.

I'm leaning scum on Mist, too.

I also agree that meta'ing a player is a poor method of ISO'ing them. People will play differently under different circumstances and assuming a modernist approach to identity simply doesn't work in a game of rhetoric that has every player review their words before posting them.

As far as your other posts go, I wouldn't make such personal attacks on other players regardless of alignment.

I'm fairly certain RadiantCowbells is town, and I'm leaning town on you, too, due to your responses.

Regardless of Mutley being scum or not, everyone shouldn't forget that there are two scum players in the game.
I suggest we find good evidence of another one--one who is likely on Mutley's wagon.

As far as thinking things over, just hit preview before you submit. Re-read your post, and if you've thought of new things to add, do it then. That way, you don't clutter discussion with several posts back-to-back. I'm guilty of this, too, though.

↑ Varsoon wrote:I'd like to hear from Zaggoth and DDDP on why they still have votes on Mutley, and if/why they think he should still be the D1 lynch.
Especially since neither have posted much since voting on him.

I'm suspicious of Mist, especially since she seems so adamant to keep this wagon rolling. Could just be town doing the whole scumhunting thing. Mist, how do you feel about lynching Mutley D1--do you think it's stupid to have a player at L-1 when two of the votes on him were parked there and the players who made them (DDDP and Zaggoth) haven't posted since? What do you think will happen if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

↑ Varsoon wrote:As of now, I am not convinced that Mutley is scum. Why?
He hasn't led a wagon on a single player, nor has he strongly advocated lynching anyone.
The only player that he's given a scum-read on is Mist, but his vote is still parked on Shaboos despite it seeming more like an RVS vote/reaction test.

Honestly, he's done the most pro-town work so far, because by scumbluffing like he has, the other players have responded in a myriad of ways. Even if he is scum, this has given good reads and taken the game in a solid direction that was necessary during RVS.

Regardless, I wouldn't rule him out as scum so quickly, but I'd prefer to lynch a scum-candidate whose flip would do something more constructive for the game.

↑ Varsoon wrote:Good reads, Zoggoth, this is a good example of how to produce reads and what they should look like.

With that, you're definitely more town in my book.

Right now, I'm largely null on most of you, leaning town on Mutley, Mist, Zoggoth, and DDDP.
Leaning scum on Paid Pyro, and with the points that Zoggoth made about Dexter, I'm suspecting him as well.