Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:27 pm
Who else do you want me to look at though?
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
First and last paragraph there Mara. You admitted to not having a legitimate reason for voting me (bad enough, but then you tried to dress it up that you did so you tried to impose a wagon on me with nothing to back it up. Only reason why would be to protect someone else or you see me as a threat). But in the last paragraph you say you didnt want to OMGUS vote... What do you call voting for the person voting for you then without a reason?There were several points that he didn't respond to like, me admitting that I might not have had a legit reason to place that vote and that I admitted that the current read I have on him now is based off his response to that vote.
Instead he goes to call me a "Mind-reader or a liar" Either way, it's already grounds to shake any credibility I have against him with out addressing it directly
He also stated that I "wanted" to vote him earlier, but I didn't want to be called out for "OMGUS"
Exactly what I've been saying all along. your only in game point s out me was a misrepresentation in the exact same vain you are correcting pb on.I speculated colo might come into our game. Who wouldn't given our old dynamic. But your case brought to me (eventually) is you telling people this is my scum game, you referencing offsite games and lying about them and the only occasion you mention a game relevant thing I apparently did you were wrong there too (claimed I jumped on shadoweh when he over reacted to me without me needing to name him).
I thought I would need to refer to mara from the purple days, haven't needed to given you are scum slipping under pressure.
This is what I originally posted Generic.In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
No, that is what I'm saying you called me out on. It has nothing to do with what I want or, how I want to be perceivedIn post 151, Generic wrote:But in the last paragraph you say you didnt want to OMGUS vote... What do you call voting for the person voting for you then without a reason?
Right here is what that last sentence is talking aboutIn post 76, Generic wrote:I know mara and I know she would look for an opportunity to vote for me when it seemed most likely it wouldn't get labelled OMGUS.
Agree. Although I will say that scumGeneric was not really showing up to Red Wedding, so I don't really pay attention to that meta.In post 102, Desperado wrote:Nacho and Tammy: This doesn't look like scumGeneric from Red Wedding, agree/disagree?
What you're seeing as AtE I'm starting to see as genuine frustration, and if she's trying to box in your accusations, she's doing a damn good job of it because from what I gather from the argument so far, her rebuttals have been pretty fucking solid.In post 107, Generic wrote:And the reason is she is trying to AtE and box in my accusations.
Agree. Although I will say that scumGeneric was not really showing up to Red Wedding, so I don't really pay attention to that meta.In post 102, Desperado wrote:Nacho and Tammy: This doesn't look like scumGeneric from Red Wedding, agree/disagree?
What you're seeing as AtE I'm starting to see as genuine frustration, and if she's trying to box in your accusations, she's doing a damn good job of it because I undersIn post 107, Generic wrote:And the reason is she is trying to AtE and box in my accusations.
You said we should look for misrepresentations if we're trying to suss out your scumgame, correct? Here's one.In post 118, Generic wrote:The push you are making mara is that you always spot me as scum.
This is not at ALL the right move. When two people are familiar with one another and they are fighting with each other, that is the very first thing you pay attention to and you sort that out before anything else. If you read Tierce as scum, I will focus in on your fight until you have sorted her out to the best of your ability; ignoring what is pretty much a free scum lynch if we play our cards right is the worst move possible.In post 131, Tammy wrote:My biggest thoughts right now though are that I want you and Mara to take a break from your slap fight. It would be one thing if it were based on in thread posts, but its on how you guys expect for each other to behave. That's fine for a little bit, but it should end now. Neither of you are going to convince anyone based on what you're doing now. It's at the point where it's causing a distraction and making it hard to get a read on either of you. So it would be super awesome if you took a break from one another and looked at other things.
Is there a reason why YOU'RE ignoring this beautiful Generic versus Marangal fight in thread?In post 137, Shadoweh wrote:You kids are so gosh darn cute. Gargant, how new to mafia are you? Questioning why Generic would think there are 3 scum makes me think you just had a few newbie games, this is correct? Rereading the post up top there, PB, I wouldn't call it building up your cred if you're answering a question asked about your experience, literally. There are quite a few of us here who have lots of experienceand are still horrible like me.
I would expect you to use your relevant experience with Mara; are you claiming to read her without considering her meta?In post 148, Generic wrote:If that case isn't strong enough to convince you all she is one of the scum team then do be it, but only one of us has lied and attempted to use factors that cannot be easily back checked or require you to accept their opinion on how the other plays.
And why is it scummy if that's her conviction? Sometimes showing your work isn't the most important part.In post 151, Generic wrote:And the sign off with "He is scum, I promise you he is scum." again It's just words. You haven't shown anything to back up this big statement, so you are relying on people taking you at your word that you can read my scum game... That's not a case. That's you trying to force through a lynch on reputation.
So based on this guarantee you are making that when you say I'm scum I always am, you base that on what? Games external to here? So nothing to do with this game or even this site where info is readily available. Convenient.In post 152, Ms Marangal wrote:This is what I originally posted Generic.In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
Where do I state that I always catch you out as scum? I didn't, I stated that, every time I have a scum-read on you, you don't have a town-wincon. You are some kind of scum
I know what jester is, and 3P is still a scum role
I have never scumread you when you had a town wincon, that is what I said
You changed the meaning of my statement
and you once again stated that I don't have a case on you, I do and you admitted such earlier
and you are still aiming on shooting down any credibility my statements against you have
that's scum-intent right there.
These reads are pretty damn weak considering information in thread so far. Garg picking up on me feeling differently from what he's used to IMMEDIATELY was town as fuck. His attempt to involve himself in that fight that you seem to be avoiding was town as fuck. Shadoweh is cool probably town and all but you know there's no real reason peacebringer is scum and you know that ignoring the fight completely is bad bad bad. I'm willing to throw double-down on peacebringer being town and feel fine in calling empire town (he won't hide from me forever), and as of right now, feel pretty fine calling marangal town and generic scum. And it surprises me that you don't even get any paranoid vibes from him tunneling the fuck out of someone in the early game when that's exactly what he did in red wedding, when he's sitting back and chuckling at Mara lacking a case on him-scum when they have some history together and you know cases don't really need to be talked about when they have history together. Desperado has a slow start you also really aren't picking up on, and all the while it's this gorgeous, gorgeous fight going on that's generating this good information that you want to stop because you're being lazy/scum. Don't break my heart.
It does. That's why it's a bad argument for her to make as scum.In post 160, Generic wrote:If its gonna be me who is lynched through this nacho, can you promise me something? When I flip town revisit lynching mara.
Cos her whole arguement falls on its arse when I flip town.
I suspected you for following your own scum meta of misreps:In post 162, Generic wrote:then said because I have focused my entire arguement on mara (even though I argued with shadoweh AND peacebrinfer whenever they brought something up about me or to me) I must be scum.
Mara said that she hasn't yet called town-Generic scum. You responded to this assertion with "oh, so you're saying that you always catch me out as scum???". That's not what she said, and it's scummy that you didn't even deny that she could read you or reply to those words at all because they are strong and they do have merit.In post 155, Nachomamma8 wrote:You said we should look for misrepresentations if we're trying to suss out your scumgame, correct? Here's one.
Here, I didn't like how you were taking the high ground in using "confirmable" information for your scumread on Mara while she was not using confirmable information and that's why she was scummy. I pointed out that you were obviously using meta in reading her because you had many games together and were her former mentor, and thus it's strange you're trying to pretend like that doesn't factor at all into your read on her and the fact that she's using all of that information you have together is scummy.In post 155, Nachomamma8 wrote:would expect you to use your relevant experience with Mara; are you claiming to read her without considering her meta?
I called Tammy suspicious for attempting to shut down the fight between you and Marangal because this fight of yours have made the game infinitely more interesting. I called Desperado suspicious for having a "slow start", I did not say that I was suspicious of him because of his meta assertion. Do you disagree that Red Wedding was a weak scumgame of yours compared to others?In post 164, Generic wrote:Btw. It didn't go unnoticed in your post you throw suspicion on tammy and desperado for considering this unlike my scum game.
You are auto clearing people on much less so try not to be a hypocrite nacho
What misrep?In post 158, Nachomamma8 wrote:These reads are pretty damn weak considering information in thread so far. Garg picking up on me feeling differently from what he's used to IMMEDIATELY was town as fuck. His attempt to involve himself in that fight that you seem to be avoiding was town as fuck. Shadoweh is cool probably town and all but you know there's no real reason peacebringer is scum and you know that ignoring the fight completely is bad bad bad. I'm willing to throw double-down on peacebringer being town and feel fine in calling empire town (he won't hide from me forever), and as of right now, feel pretty fine calling marangal town and generic scum.And it surprises me that you don't even get any paranoid vibes from him tunneling the fuck out of someone in the early gamewhen that's exactly what he did in red wedding, when he's sitting back and chuckling at Mara lacking a case on him-scum when they have some history together and you know cases don't really need to be talked about when they have history together. Desperado has a slow start you also really aren't picking up on, and all the while it's this gorgeous, gorgeous fight going on that's generating this good information that you want to stop because you're being lazy/scum. Don't break my heart.
At worst mine was a misinterpretation cos that clearly reads to me she hasn't been wrong in reading my scum game yet. Putting aside I know she is wrong now it's a sweeping statement that you should trust her cos she is always right, which I called bullshit so how did I not dispute it?In post 115, Ms Marangal wrote:
Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.
Surprises, not "makes me suspect you". Where was my attack on Desperado for thinking you are town off meta?In post 166, Generic wrote:What misrep?
She's saying she's good at reading you as scum. You don't deny the fact; you call her scum for a broad sweeping statement. You don't see an issue in that?In post 166, Generic wrote:Putting aside I know she is wrong now it's a sweeping statement that you should trust her cos she is always right, which I called bullshit so how did I not dispute it?
Empire is an easy nut to crack when scum. I want his entrance in the game to be as uncomfortable as possible in the chances as he does roll scum. He does look town at the moment, although I will say that it's weird as fuck he didn't pick up on me trolling him sooner, considering his familiarity with my meta.In post 166, Generic wrote:But reads can be wrong. For example I to d it interesting you were on empire as scum, and since then all he has posted is he hasn't had time and will catch up soon and suddenly he's town to you.
I've provided enough reasoning. My reads certainly aren't as set in stone as you're pretending they are.In post 166, Generic wrote:What you are doing is auto clearing people with no reasoning. Still none, even when I press the point. Those you know you can't suck up to you place suspicion on, and all of this to do what exactly?
You could also respond to my concerns and stop dancing around them!In post 166, Generic wrote:Please feel free to wagon me to lynch. My early reads were early reads.
I place my opinion strongly on mara being scum. And nacho is becoming a firm second choice. But to make these words count you need to see my flip, so lynch me and then aim everything at nacho and mara. Cos I am happy to leave this game knowing I saw through them.
where did I attack desperado?In post 168, Generic wrote:And your attack on desperado
And for someone saying I'm dancing around points this here is laughable. You outright attack him as scum which you now claim was because the chance are he will flip scum, but having posted NOTHING but a comment that he will catch up when he can you have suddenly seen him as town.Empire is an easy nut to crack when scum. I want his entrance in the game to be as uncomfortable as possible in the chances as he does roll scum. He does look town at the moment, although I will say that it's weird as fuck he didn't pick up on me trolling him sooner, considering his familiarity with my meta.
I did say I was suspicious of him. I want you to quote my reason why and tell me how you get "meta reading generic wrong is sus" from my post.In post 170, Generic wrote:Pedit: oh you didn't cast suspicion on him then?