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That's all well and fine, but we haven't had any big reactions or 1v1s to analyze, nor any flips to strengthen town reads and associations. One person hasn't even posted. I guess I just find you to seem more certain than you should be at this point in a game like this.

Most games I've played are off the ground and running in a few pages but we have 6 pages of forced reads based on nothing.

In post 124, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Eh. Meta only?

That and gut.

In post 128, pitoli wrote:TIP's vote on the IC was one that neither looked serious to me nor drastically changed my perception of the gamestate, hence I entered the game like I normally would (as Sangres said, going "wheeeeeeeee!").

Do you normally enter the game making wagons just for the sake of making wagons, especially when such a wagon would be an easy one to push that early?

In post 128, pitoli wrote: So to talk about RVS as one subject and wagons as another like they are mutually exclusive topics of discussion is just silly. I was not trying to shift attention, I was trying to explain myself - at this point you're either deliberately misleading, or too far up your own ass to consider my explanation.

They are separate discussions. It's not like wagons only happen in RVS. In fact, I don't think your vote was random at all.

In post 135, TheIrishPope wrote: How does bulbazak know my meta?

NY165. I was part of a very dissonant hydra.

1) I read you as town for plenty of reasons. One is your post 61 where you butt into LastSurvivor's thought process and finish it for him. I know I am town and if you were scum, you would know I am town. I can't see scum competing with a confirmed town to take credit for a mislynch. Your eagerness to "lead" the wagon on me and push harder than LastSurvivor is pushing shows that you genuinely don't know who the scum are (i.e. you are town). There is no reason for scum to jump in and take responsibility for a mislynch unnecessarily. Especially not the first mislynch.

2) Your 79 to Bulbazak shows that you are serious about pushing my wagon to the extent that you are testing Bulbazak and trying to glean an insight into his affiliation based on whether or not he would vote for me. Scum looking for a convenient way to park their vote don't do this. The other scum possibility is that you are seriously trying to mislynch me D1. But that would make no sense as a scum strategy. A much better alternative is to push weakly and compromise on a different player and leave me around for a later lynch or endgame me at LYLO. That preserves your towncred. I am an active player and post a lot. As scum, you would know that while you are certainly capable of lynching me, you'd burn a huge amount of towncred if you push too hard. Your strong push only makes sense if you are town and genuinely believe that I am scum.

3) You placing your vote and looking elsewhere shows that you are willing to suspend your disbelief that I am town and consider other possibilities. It is unlikely to come from scum who don't want to potentially antagonize other players by pushing on them. But from town, it shows willingness to work with someone who wants to work with you. You coming right back to me as your biggest scumread shows more town motivation as you feel you have exhausted the possibilities for scum and settled back on me.

Not to mention the more obvious indicators like the fact that you have been very active, probing other players, questioning them, discussing reads, pushing wagons and in general playing like the very definition of a town player. The biggest tell for me though is that you made it obvious through your actions that you want credit/responsibility for my lynch if I get lynched. Any one of those reasons might not be strong enough, but together, it is transparently obvious that you are town. I am a little sad your scumread on me is so strong since it makes it so much more difficult to work together.

In post 146, pitoli wrote:idk, just, third vote on a wagon? Im always watching if that shit looks like an opportunity to cement momentum on a mislynch

Nacho it just didnt feel like you even gave it that much thought

yknow what's really fun, tryin and failjng to type this on my phone

I didn't give it that much thought, no. TiP felt town and I thought your reaction would be interesting. It certainly was that! Although I will say that voting me because "third vote on the wagon" is
What about the L-1 vote?

believe what you want to believe Bulb, i obviously cant convince you and imma stop trying now

Don't stop believing, pitoli.

Pitoli, can you explain your townread on Bulbazak?

In post 153, sangres wrote:

In post 146, pitoli wrote: I didn't give it that much thought, no. TiP felt town and I thought your reaction would be interesting. It certainly was that! Although I will say that voting me because "third vote on the wagon" is
What about the L-1 vote?

It obviously hurts my feelings and I'm gonna cry about it later but TIP? I want to say he's town

In post 156, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Pitoli, can you explain your townread on Bulbazak?

Not a town read but rather null. His push on me started out fine but I don't like how he won't even the thought of town-me

In post 155, sangres wrote:Don't stop believing, pitoli.

this sounds like you dont necessarily think im scum?

/hopeful

In post 158, pitoli wrote:His push on me started out fine but I don't like how he won't even

entertain

the thought of town-me

Scum never do like not being thought of as town.

yes yes drive it home

find your hammer and you're all set!

You know, you could actually be doing something, like, say, scumhunting, during this time instead of being all "Woe is me.".

In post 159, pitoli wrote:

In post 155, sangres wrote:Don't stop believing, pitoli.

this sounds like you dont necessarily think im scum?

/hopeful

I'm most certainly not sold. If I was sold, I would be screaming from every rooftop and you would have been dead four pages ago

Someone is scuuuuum

pitoli claim
claim pls
pitoli

Already said I'm not claiming without someone's intent. Why are you trying to get my claim before that happens?

Someone's gonna tell you to claim anyway, better not waste time

There's time to waste. Unless you want a mislynch barely 24hrs after game start?

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Pitoli wagon is stupid and caseless. I'm going to look at who's on it.

Yes and I'm going to use it TIP. However I dont think pitoli is our best option for D1, which is why I think it's stupid. Why do you do something useful instead of attempting to catch me in some fabricated contradiction.

Counterwagon go
VOTE: F-16