Dude you have teh perfect reasoning for CES's scumminess.thedocsalive wrote:Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum
He clearly defends Masterchief here.CES, post 83 wrote:I'm not particularly fond of the Masterchiefwagon. He's an easy lynch and that wagon sprung up rather quickly. Those two facts combined make me think there's scum involvement.
Conversely,I don't think warpdragon is a great play today. As for asking for a flavor claim from Masterchief, I just think that means warpdragon has some flavor in his role PM.warpdragon, post 86 wrote:After rereading the thread, I definitely think that Masterchief bandwagon is a good one.
Seems like he wants Strykker to explain and play better, even though he was clearly resigned after being voted early by BJ. Happy with my vote on CES.CES, post 131 wrote:I'm going to give StrykkerVerde a chance to explain and possibly claim though.
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I suspected as much, but I didn't know if the additional unique flavour 'wife', meant that she had an extra role over the normal mourners. I just wanted to know if we'd lost a relevant power role.
If Strykkerverde was with an experienced player as scum, I think he'd feel a lot worse about leaving the game, and probably not do it in the way he did. Max was active on the Jayden bandwagon, but didn't get on either of the scum wagons. In fact, his only post in the past two days was one that seemed to be constructed in order to take the limelight off him, and he was effectively Fosing everyone who just lynched a scum.
BJ, you called him a likely good guy. How sure are you of this?
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If Strykkerverde was with an experienced player as scum, I think he'd feel a lot worse about leaving the game, and probably not do it in the way he did. Max was active on the Jayden bandwagon, but didn't get on either of the scum wagons. In fact, his only post in the past two days was one that seemed to be constructed in order to take the limelight off him, and he was effectively Fosing everyone who just lynched a scum.
BJ, you called him a likely good guy. How sure are you of this?
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I don't think Max is the best vote for today, IMO. I'd still like some pressure on warpdragon.Primate wrote:I suspected as much, but I didn't know if the additional unique flavour 'wife', meant that she had an extra role over the normal mourners. I just wanted to know if we'd lost a relevant power role.
Vote Max
If Strykkerverde was with an experienced player as scum, I think he'd feel a lot worse about leaving the game, and probably not do it in the way he did. Max was active on the Jayden bandwagon, but didn't get on either of the scum wagons. In fact, his only post in the past two days was one that seemed to be constructed in order to take the limelight off him, and he was effectively Fosing everyone who just lynched a scum.
BJ, you called him a likely good guy. How sure are you of this?
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Are you just going by sense of smell or is there something else you want me to do / respond to before the bandwagon gets dangerous?
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[quote="BabyJesus]yea, I'm pretty sure CES is clean. If he was scum he'd wouldn't have defended both scum that gave up and were pretty certain lynches. He's not that new at this. Got any other suspects? [/quote]
It's not the defending of Masterchief that I found most suspicious, it's more the quote relating to Strykker. It seems like he's asking Strykker to play better and post a defense after his resigned post. It's not really a defense, and one could argue that CES wants Strykker to play better for the sake of the game itself, but I think it's very possible that CES is mafia with him. I'll re-read again later and see who else could be suspicious, but CES seems like a good place to start today, IMO.
It's not the defending of Masterchief that I found most suspicious, it's more the quote relating to Strykker. It seems like he's asking Strykker to play better and post a defense after his resigned post. It's not really a defense, and one could argue that CES wants Strykker to play better for the sake of the game itself, but I think it's very possible that CES is mafia with him. I'll re-read again later and see who else could be suspicious, but CES seems like a good place to start today, IMO.
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Bah, quote tags.
It's not the defending of Masterchief that I found most suspicious, it's more the quote relating to Strykker. It seems like he's asking Strykker to play better and post a defense after his resigned post. It's not really a defense, and one could argue that CES wants Strykker to play better for the sake of the game itself, but I think it's very possible that CES is mafia with him. I'll re-read again later and see who else could be suspicious, but CES seems like a good place to start today, IMO.BabyJesus wrote:yea, I'm pretty sure CES is clean. If he was scum he'd wouldn't have defended both scum that gave up and were pretty certain lynches. He's not that new at this. Got any other suspects?
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I'm inclined to follow thedocsalive's train of thought here. This might be faulty reasoning, but from my own experience playing with CES and reading games he's been in I would have thought that if he wasn't mafia with Strykker he'd have just said 'let's lynch him' rather than 'come on, explain'.
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Nah, I only try to get people quicklynched when they're low on votes or when I'm sure someone's scum. I'm not really a brainless bandwagonner.
The reason I made that comment is simple. Pro-town players sometimes have information that clears or that is useful to the town without being aware of it at the time. We had plenty of time and if he was pro-town, then I felt the town would benefit from him possibly sticking around a bit longer. And if he was scum, my comment was unlikely to do anything.
Let's look at that comment from a risk-vs.-reward perspective assuming that I'm scum.
Risk: if it fails to do achieve its goal, then I might avoid getting lynched on the basis of a WIFOMy argument, but I will draw attention to myself and quite possibly cop investigations(the GF is dead, this would obviously be bad). High risk.
Reward: StrykkerVerde magically starts playing better and avoids getting lynched. A connection between the two of us would still be established and it could also easily lead to ruin. Low reward.
On top of that, Strykker is not a particularly good player, so I'd say the first situation is a lot more likely.
In essence, it's absolutely a stupid move for me to make if I were scum with Channel.
The reason I made that comment is simple. Pro-town players sometimes have information that clears or that is useful to the town without being aware of it at the time. We had plenty of time and if he was pro-town, then I felt the town would benefit from him possibly sticking around a bit longer. And if he was scum, my comment was unlikely to do anything.
Let's look at that comment from a risk-vs.-reward perspective assuming that I'm scum.
Risk: if it fails to do achieve its goal, then I might avoid getting lynched on the basis of a WIFOMy argument, but I will draw attention to myself and quite possibly cop investigations(the GF is dead, this would obviously be bad). High risk.
Reward: StrykkerVerde magically starts playing better and avoids getting lynched. A connection between the two of us would still be established and it could also easily lead to ruin. Low reward.
On top of that, Strykker is not a particularly good player, so I'd say the first situation is a lot more likely.
In essence, it's absolutely a stupid move for me to make if I were scum with Channel.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!
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While you have some valid points about the risk versus reward situation, we need to look at it in context. If you are indeed scum with Strykker, you WOULD want him to play better. If he doesn't, and just throws in the towel, you're left alone in this game (assuming a scum group of three, as one scum group of four is very powerful in a mini). Your chances of winning as a lone scum are very slim, and therefore it may be worth the risk to keep Strykker in the game.Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Let's look at that comment from a risk-vs.-reward perspective assuming that I'm scum.
Risk: if it fails to do achieve its goal, then I might avoid getting lynched on the basis of a WIFOMy argument, but I will draw attention to myself and quite possibly cop investigations(the GF is dead, this would obviously be bad). High risk.
Reward: StrykkerVerde magically starts playing better and avoids getting lynched. A connection between the two of us would still be established and it could also easily lead to ruin. Low reward.
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Well, yes, the chances of winning as a lone scum are very slim, but that chance doesn't improve if you draw attention to yourself. Do you really think Strykker could have suddenly improved his play to the point that he'd really survive for a while? Honestly, if I were scum with him, if he gives up on himself, then I'd throw him under the bus without a second of doubt.
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While I do think that I see where TDA is going, I think that CES is smart enough to realize that if he were scum with SV, that SV was as good as dead. In addition, the fact that he pretty much acted the same way toward both SV and MC seems like it would tie the three too tightly and that CES would have realized this and would have consequently changed his attitude. CES just seems like a convenient target.
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Hey, limited access right now. Since I don't have time to do much, here's the scoop. I'm the cop, and Max and CES are clean. Sanity confirmed, because my other view was Strykker, guilty.
Go ahead and unvote them pls. tia.
Go ahead and unvote them pls. tia.
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What? There's one scum left, how would lynching an innocent guy test his claim. Is a cop that unbelievable? This reeks of a scum, a scum who is afaid that a credible cop will break open the game(as it will). Unless we have genuine counter-claim, I see no reason to disbelieve BJ. Why do you?ChannelDelibird wrote:I believe you BJ, but considering we've already wiped out two scum I would be happy to test your claim by lynching Max or CES. Considering I was already voting Max, I'll keep it that way.
Plan: We play follow the cop.We have a Cop with a good scumdar and an unouted doc. We vote no-lynch until the cop finds us something and then the mafia is forced to kill off confirmed people to have any chance of winning. If the doc does finally die, we are at exactly the same point we were before, but with less people in the game, so more chance of hitting scum. Of course, the fact there are less people does mean that we get less wrong lynches without losing the game, but I think the possiblity of just stumbling onto a scum is too good to give up.
Bad things that fuck up plan: No Doc. Mafia Roleblocker. #2 is much more likely than 1, obviously.
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I guess I am being a bit over-paranoid but I do keep worrying I'll end up in a game with no cop. It's better to be safe than sorry, IMO, and if we lynch Max we make sure we're not following a false cop around the whole game.Primate wrote:What? There's one scum left, how would lynching an innocent guy test his claim. Is a cop that unbelievable? This reeks of a scum, a scum who is afaid that a credible cop will break open the game(as it will). Unless we have genuine counter-claim, I see no reason to disbelieve BJ. Why do you?ChannelDelibird wrote:I believe you BJ, but considering we've already wiped out two scum I would be happy to test your claim by lynching Max or CES. Considering I was already voting Max, I'll keep it that way.
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what? why the fuck would you want to test my claim by voting Max? Considering I got a guilty on Strykker, sanity should not be an issue.ChannelDelibird wrote:I believe you BJ, but considering we've already wiped out two scum I would be happy to test your claim by lynching Max or CES. Considering I was already voting Max, I'll keep it that way.
That post makes no sense whatsoever.
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