The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Tierce]

I want to see where the natirasha wagon goes though. CES why are you not voting natirasha? Tierce why arey ou not voting natirasha? Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Because I'm trying to actually play the game and read people instead of going after idiotic commentary, otherwise I'd be voting you and a handful of others.

[Espeonage]

Tierce, non reck scums?

[Tierce]

I saw it the first time. When I have an answer you'll be the first to know.

[shos]

Sirdani, that is not lying, tgat is reaction fishing.

If i told you HAY GUYZ IM 510-SHOT VIG discuss.

Would you lynch me for lying? No. Because it is an obvious lie; and if it is obvious it won't get any useful reactions.

[shos]

Also, more votes on natirasha.

[sirdanilot]

Claiming VT is not an obvious lie. Claiming VT is a claim. Lynch All Liars should have NEVER disappeared from site meta. Wow where has this site gone to.

Tierce I won't forgot that you promised to come up with a better scum than Reck. Don't back out and keep vote parking !

[Tierce]

Tierce I won't forgot that you promised to come up with a better scum than Reck. Don't back out and keep vote parking !

That's cute, but I didn't "promise" anything. If I wanted to be voting someone else I would be voting someone else.

[sirdanilot]

I don't necessarily want you to vote someone else (well, I would want you to vote esp or nat but not if you don't see the case on them). I want you to SCUMHUNT, Tierce. And I want you to start scumhunting as quick as possible !

Is nat scum? Still haven't answered that
Is esp scum? New question
Why is reck scum? Is reck even scum? Also new questions.

Answer !

[sirdanilot]

Town only wins mafia games if town TALKS. And with talking I don't mean LOLREACTIONTEST HURHUR or LOLFAKECLAIMASTOWN HUR HUR but I mean actual scumhutning. You don't need walls of text to scumhunt, or quote walls. I prefer short tidbits myself, but to each their own.

So guys, sucmhunt !

[sirdanilot]

Should die ASAP because scum: Esp
Scum: Nat, maybe shadoweh, and probably a couple of the plethora of people that have hardly posted yet.
Town: I read shos (and by extension reck) as town currently. His latest posting has been good.

I am tempted to read spyrex as town because I agree with him but that's of course a trap as not all scum have ass backwards reads, so I'll put him at null.

[Tierce]

I don't necessarily want you to vote someone else (well, I would want you to vote esp or nat but not if you don't see the case on them). I want you to SCUMHUNT, Tierce. And I want you to start scumhunting as quick as possible !

Is nat scum? Still haven't answered that
Is esp scum? New question
Why is reck scum? Is reck even scum? Also new questions.

Answer !

I am scumhunting, thank you very much. Now if you would back off and let me do my thing without stupid questions

about the person I'm actually voting

, that'd be mightily appreciated. I give reads in my own time and not because you ask for them in a half-arsed way. I'd actually like to have a go at reading GOOD players, and you're doing your damnedest to be a distraction.

[sirdanilot]

Post 147 was good, continue that way tierce !

[Tierce]

Shut up.

[Elscouta]

Sorry, didn't have Internet access Sunday. Might happen all other Sundays, but hopefully it shouldn't be a big problem.

Espeonage claim and SpyreX attack

I will not vote Espeonage based on the current case. SpyreX (after a couple pages of LOLWHYHEISNTLYNCHEDYET) posted only why a vanilla claim is bad for town. He didn't explain why scum would be more likely to do this than town. Of the top of my head, i can find quite a few reasons for town to claim Vanilla post 3. Some of them are "lol bad play", some of them can even be good play (mod-confirmed mason for example). There is a lot less reasons for scum to do such a claim.

I'm not interested in policy lynching someone because "lol vanilla claim badplay". The confusion that SpyreX instilled between "Vanilla claim are bad" and "Any sane town should policy lynch vanilla claims" make me extremely unhappy. However, among the Espeonage pushers, he is somewhat credible in its vanilla claim crusade (#143 is actually pretty good posting). In the meanwhile, sirdanilot pretends to be pushing Esp because he believes Esp is scum. Given the current data seems to point at Esp dumbtownlolreaction, l'll

Vote: sirdanilot

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Other comments:

- What the fuck is that Reckoner wagon. Stop pretending we are in RVS and start playing. Thank you very much.
- The code tags are annoying.

[shos]

Claiming VT is not an obvious lie. Claiming VT is a claim.

THAT IS THE POINT!!! if you want reactions you need to PROVOKE them.

Town only wins mafia games if town TALKS. And with talking I don't mean LOLREACTIONTEST HURHUR or LOLFAKECLAIMASTOWN HUR HUR but I mean actual scumhutning. You don't need walls of text to scumhunt, or quote walls. I prefer short tidbits myself, but to each their own.

So guys, sucmhunt !

that post is solid CRAP. At best. At worst - liquid crap.

Why not reaction test? It helps get reads. How bout we all 'scumhunt' like you? Take a townread and push its lynch just because I can! Yay!

This game barely started. Scumhunting will happen when true content arises. Like in every mafia game.

[shos]

Elscoutas post is very awsome.
While I agree with you that sirdanilot is scummy as hell, natirasha is just as scummy, and my gut forces me that way.

Re: xreck wagon - this wagon, even if with 9 votes, is nothing more than an weakass ant. Nibody has anything to support their vote, it is just leftovers from RVS

[sirdanilot]

Els, what is the difference between my Esp want-to-lynch and spyrex' vote park? At worst they are both null.

Shos, I do not mean that all reaction tests are bad; I actually thought your reaction test with the reck thing was pretty good, though your conclusions of me-scum were not; it was a perfectly valid reason to vote you, reck even did so before he saw the page after that, and from your perspective Reck is town. In fact I would look more at people who completely ignored your 'gambit' there, than at people who voted you/called you out for it.

And yes the reck wagon is stupid as all hell.

[Elscouta]

Els, what is the difference between my Esp want-to-lynch and spyrex' vote park? At worst they are both null.

SpyreX never really said that Espeonage was a (strong) scum read. His "vote park" doesn't read as particularly scummy to me. "Town should lynch its weak elements, and hence Vanilla claimers" (or voteparkers ) is terrible reasoning, but this is the kind of terrible reasoning that is seen both as town and scum.

On the other hand, in your posts, you claim to believe Espeonage is scum. I think you have no reason the believe something like this, and hence that you are riding SpyreX attack for your own purposes. Tell me: Why do you believe Espeonage is scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote sirdanilot

[JacobSavage]

I like Spys reasoning, that comes from a town mindset.

SirDan I mean I like your play but you instance that LAL has gone is odd at best...

Will post more wednesday, got a hetic few days.

[shos]

So why is the fakeclaim vt as reaction test worse to you? Look at the amount of info to analyse that IT provoked in comparison to MY reaction test.

[sirdanilot]

Okay, I will separate my policy reasons from my scum read.

Policy reasons: I think I went over this already, VT claim on page 1 is bad, lynch all liars, won't tolerate him claimchanging, anti town, yadayadayada

Esp is a scumread : If you iso me you'll see that I actually said most of this earlier, in various posts. But I'll go over it once more.

And the second is out there already and will remain in minds.

And I'd rather people not know if I'm going to take it back later or not.

The fact that he leaves room open for a claim change is ridiculous; it gives him a pass to fake claim ANYTHING. This is more of a policy-reason to vote Esp than a scum reason, admittedly.

I got endgamed the last time I claimed vanilla day 1.

If this is not scummy, I don't know what is? He's threatening that he won't get lynched regardless of his horrible VT claim. Do you not see the scumminess in that?

You're also assuming I'm making sane and logical choices, something many people in this game will tell you is categorically not the case.

And do you

really think this is not scummy?

Again he's giving himself a pass to do anything he pleases.

[sirdanilot]

Scum play: give yourself a free pass to do anything you so please so that they cannot scumread you for it.

Town play: do what is in the best interest of the town, do not derp play only for your own meta or for who knows what reason. Stick to your wincon. Do not lie (unless in very extreme circumstances; ideally, a town lie should only be discovered after the game ended; if people discovered earlier and you are not confirmed in anyway, you are probably scum and should die).

Also if you are on my wagon and happen to be town you should read this game of mine: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=9014 . If you are scum please don't read it and just keep your vote parked on me. Thank you.

[Shadoweh]

Okay, so while I was gone shos decided to make voting him look really stupid, thanks shos.
Also it's really creepy that you're both talking in code about me, I'm RIGHT HERE if you want to do something other then pretend I can't see your backtalk.

Tierce, as much fun as it is watching you bite at Reck, this reminds me of literally every game Reck gets into a fight with someone. You're basically asking him why he's trying to make you mad when his playstyle is being someone that makes people mad? I really want you to stop fighting so you can tell me who I should be voting plz.

I'm not sure if Nat is being weird.. I mean this doesn't seem like how he was acting in ASOIAF to be honest but I think that's because he was a hydra and he was being less random. Nat, do you usually act like this?

No one should be voting danilot for reasons that involve scum play and it's baffling that these votes exist, stop it.

[ActionDan]

pdodge?