Tales of You (Abyss Neighborhood)

[CarbonFiber]

and making ap claim

You think he is town?

[Desperado]

bro does

[CarbonFiber]

I don't. But if BRO is right, then maybe it is good because it increases the chances of LordB being scum.

[CarbonFiber]

Is anyone in here a vig? If so, please please shoot one of Mastin or RBD.

[BROseidon]

Hey guys.

I'm sort of back. Gonna read through what happened after I left tomorrow; just opening this thread upped my pulse and breathing a fair bit. Hopefully some sleep puts me back in a better state.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was gone for a day and then thread blew up yet again ;-;
Can I have a summary?

[Desperado]

we were gonna lynch rbd, then nacho showed up and:

- flashwagoned bro
- flashwagoned ap, who claimed modified cop (sends 3 names, mafia picks one, gets an investigation?? not really clear on how this works)
- flashwagoned orcinus, who claimed governor who would governate regardless of the lynch.
- disappeared

it was really shitty and i'm kind of pissed at him for it

[Desperado]

especially after he's so aggressively argued against scum lynches in like ever game we've been town together in and it breaks my heart all over again every time

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, here's my problem, Nacho:

I am scumreading MastinSSK, Rancid, and AP.

Pieguyn, BRO-Desp and I spent a literal fuckton of time trying to get ANY one of them lynched. I literally wrote the number of town players who would vote for ANY scum lynch and try to make it happen. None of the scum are bussing. They are spamming and spamming and spamming hoping that the town doesn't try and figure out the scum. I don't intend to play games with some of the players in this game again. Not that I will blacklist them or anything because I don't have anything against them. It is just that their tactics of burying the thread are crap and borderline unethical. It is just that seeing their name in a playerlist might make me think about not signing up/not replacing in into the game. Specifically zMuffinman. I also enjoyed playing with Mastin but he is literally spamming up the thread with bullshit and it is exasperating. I don't think that making it physically impossible for town to catch up to the game and contribute is good in any way. It is not like they are actually playing a good game and fooling a majority of players. It is that their spam caused a whole TON of players to not get caught up in the game and not make an informed vote. As such we only had about 8-9 active players in the game. To lynch any of the scum, we basically needed ALL of us to agree on a lynch. We got the three people in this neighborhood and The Fox and the Hound to agree. We got Cupcake to vote Mastin and PeregrineV to vote Rancid. The problem is that you and ffery are determinedly avoiding any lynch that could actually yield scum. You got your Orc lynch, fine. He is obviously town. What now?

Add onto that, a few players like you and ffery proved COMPLETELY impossible to work with because you won't vote ANY of the scum in the game. I tried to work with you and her to vote ANY of Mastin/Muffin/AP but all you did was ignore the entire fucking game for the ENTIRETY of the 18 days with no contributions. Then you finally show up with 8 hours left to deadline and work with the scum to derail their lynch. The lynch you pushed went through because the scum were backing you and ffery 100%. You did jackshit the whole game. You never worked with me to help lynch any of my scumreads at all despite having me as obviously town. I don't think I was ever this much of a dick to you EVER in any game we played before. I don't understand how you think you can just pop in 8 hours before deadline and derail something that I worked so hard to accomplish, reaching out to so many players, spending so much time and effort to push and then shake all of it down. And you tell me that you are frustrated with me because I am not working with you. How the fuck do you actually think that's okay? In all other games we played together, when you were trying to push any of your scumreads, I backed you up or had a reasonable discussion about why I disagreed with your reads. You keep saying you are frustrated with me that I am not working with you and that's seriously bullshit. Like, are you kidding me? You showed up out of literally nowhere to say that me pointing out that Muffin was using insults was bad and that I should stop it.

You are not even thinking about it from my POV. Do you really, really believe that a skim of the thread gave you better reads overall than me who re-read the thread a fucking dozen times? Like seriously? You were oblivious to details of what was hapenning in the thread. You weren't involved. You don't understand the subtle emotional manipulation Mastin was doing with BRO because he could be riled up. You don't get that Mastin was trying to discredit me (and Pie when he joined the game). Muffin was spending a ton of time discrediting both Tammy and me although now it seems like he decided to buddy up with Tammy. You don't know ANYTHING. You fucking skimmed the thread, found one post from Rancid with ATE in it and decided that it made them town because he wouldn't do it as scum. You don't get that scum were in a hard place especially when Pie joined the game and re-inforced the attack that BRO-Desp, Fox, and I were building up. If he hadn't replaced in, it would have been even harder but his posts were like a breath of fresh air that provided the REAL possibility of getting Rancid/Mastin lynched today.

I really want to ask you this for the third time because I am so pissed off at you and I am not even getting it. DID YOU LITERALLY TELL ME THAT I AM NOT WORKING WITH YOU WHEN I SPENT EIGHTEEN FUCKING DAYS SOLVING THIS GAME AND FIGURING OUT THE SCUM AND YOU WON'T HELP ME PUSH ANY OF MY SCUMREADS? I said I'd settle for any of three players in the game and you were fucking with that and telling me that you are disappointed in me for nit working with you. Like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? And hey I am looking over past games and still can't find a single instance where I was a total dick to you as far as helping you push your scumreads. I am not really sure what the problem is or how you expected me to work with you or what you think I could have done better in the thread.

[CarbonFiber]

The more I think about it, the more it doesn't make ANY fucking sense. What the actual fuck, Nacho, you showed up before deadline and flashwagoned BRO and Desp? You hydrad with Desp before, you know him well. Are you fucking kidding me and telling me that his alignment isn't obvious from reading the QTs? Who the heck are you kidding really?

[pieguyn]

fyi bork told me he'd vote mastin with me tomorrow and he better hold to it or I'll capture him irl and steal remi from him

the problem with this is all they need to do is NK one of us and then we're stuck in the ass just like yesterday

I couldn't keep up with the thread hard enough to fucking get my mastin lynch. everyone was posting too much

[CarbonFiber]

Could Orc be scum? Wtf is up with him putting Breakfast up instead of his two top suspects?

[pieguyn]

he said he wants a lurker lynch and he's doing that by putting up *a lurker* and ffery

[CarbonFiber]

Yeah, you are probably going to get nk'd tonight. Both Mastin and Muffin think you are a threat, even more so than obvtown like Kagura and Titan. I just hope any protective roles are smart enough to protect you guys.

And how sure are you about ffery-town? Her resolute refusal to vote obvscum tested the limit of belief in ffery being town.

[BROseidon]

I'm catching up now.

I'm pissed.

I might just vote park mastin for personal reasons, like, y'know, handwaving my entire fucking breakdown.

Or muffin for being an asshole.

One of those two dies tomorrow. Then the other on day 3. I don't fucking care at this point. They're going to burn.

[BROseidon]

Also Nacho burned through all the towncred he had and then some with that bullshit wagoning.

[pieguyn]

if we fucking get NK'ed you have no idea how many tables I'm flipping over. that will be the 2nd tales game in a row where GIF and I get NK'ed N1

I'm not sure at al labout ffery. that's exactly the fucking reason I'm doubting her town. the only reason I went with her town is cause of your read ._.

[pieguyn]

I'm catching up now.

I'm pissed.

I might just vote park mastin for personal reasons, like, y'know, handwaving my entire fucking breakdown.

Or muffin for being an asshole.

One of those two dies tomorrow. Then the other on day 3. I don't fucking care at this point. They're going to burn.

I KNOW RIGHT. mastin's reaction was 100% a scum reaction. and ppl wouldn't listen

bork told me he'd vote mastin tomorrow, but if we get NK'ed then what > <

this fucking game

[pieguyn]

and if mastin is town then it's fucking dumb that she completely doesn't give a shit about your breakdown and I won't play a game with her again. if she's town her posts are the most anti-town and useless posts I've seen anyone make

[pieguyn]

I would pay cash money for a vig shot on {mastin, RBD, AP} right now

Cabd if ther'es a vig tell them I said that

[BROseidon]

yet you still ignored the entire fucking wall

Oh, you meant BRO's wall.

Bluntly, I didn't read it all. I skimmed. I saw him having a meltdown for having been suddenly scumread. That's the part of the meltdown that would remain even if he changed his mindset, though he's not getting lynched anymore meaning even then he's going to be less stressed.
I also saw the remaining being ranting about how Rancid and I are obvscum and manipulating everyone and that he's right and getting lynched again in spite of that, again.

If I missed something that doesn't fit into one of those two categories, let me know. Because the first is no longer relevant, and the second I addressed by simply pointing out him changing his erroneous read would fix. 'Cause he's wrong. I know that sounds bad to say to someone having an emotional breakdown, that bluntly, they're wrong. But he is, soyeah. It needed to be said.

^Read that.

That's a hand wave of my entire breakdown. My breakdown was not for having been "suddenly scumread." That was one factor among many.

"Fixing an erroneous read" wouldn't change the bullying. It wouldn't fix the fact that muffin and mastin have used every emotional manipulative trick on me, pulled my heart and brain in every fucking direction with their bullshit mist. It wouldn't change the anger I feel towards them on a personal level as a result.

I've had to ask Cabd to warn muffin multiple times because of the adhoms. Technically, mastin hasn't broken any rules, but she's such an emotionally manipulative [redacted before I say something I regret] that she doesn't have to.

They fucking die tomorrow. Call me counterproductive or whatever, but they're scum that needs to fucking be nuked out of this game.

[BROseidon]

I still think AP's town b/c while he hasn't helped with the shitstorm this game, he hasn't pushed it the way mastin/RBD/ffery have. He's kind of just being his spastic self.

[Cabd]

cash money

We'll start bidding at one visit to Mollameet and one visit to vegasmeet by the winner~

[BROseidon]

mastin's reaction to BRO was 100% a scum reaction. town actually gives a shit about the other players in the game. he does not. because he is deliberately trying to induce apathy and feelings of despair in town. he's scum who doesn't know how to react to it going to o far, so he jsut ignores it and hopes he can just skate by.

Putting this here to remind myself to spam it if you get shot.

[CarbonFiber]

I don't know. So, I felt she was town because there's a way she comes across when town that is incredibly hard to fake. I could tell she was genuinely trying to solve the game even though she never voted any of the three players I am thinking are scum. When AP was brought up, she said she thought he was town but when BRO-Desp was brought up, she instantly wagoned them. That's BS if anyone can't see BRO-Desp as town. Her stances are absolutely wtf. The only reason I am holding myself back is it looked the same way while spectating on Dark Age of the Law. How did you feel about their slot then?

Also, she too went for trying to discredit me (I figured scum want to insult/discredit anyone that is right). Her claiming I was bitching about compromise lynches is massive bullshit and makes me wonder about the read. I know Tammy had similar voting patterns which was frustrating but her approach was to blame it on her own indecision as opposed to others (like ffery did) which felt really, really blatantly town.