In post 172, Yulia Jue wrote:So your guess right now for the scumteam is {nacho, AP, magenta, ???} mastin?
AP, Nacho, Magenta, and PV, yes. Quite explicitly.
Titan wrote:Oh but I don't know that cabd would use that role as it was again. I'd have to check the dead thread but I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that it should have been a bit nerfed.
Yeah, and my version where he's scum but not a replicant (or a replicant that appears not to be a replicant), WHILE having a real ability, is exactly that, a nerfed version.
F-16 wrote:I am still not sure how the game makes any sense if Penguin is town. Assuming AP and BRO-Desp are also town, and Cupcake is scum. PV is confirmed as vig, and if he shoots again, that's pretty much a town confirmation as I doubt scum would have more than one extra kill. In any case, the janitoring seems like a good way to nerf the vig and his target made sense from a town POV. Also, I am assuming Breakfast is town. That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way.
Well, the solution here is to readjust your townreads-off-of-role, like AP and PV. Then it can make more sense. Especially when placing Kats back into town.
Stalin wrote:I don't understand why you're in such a hurry to end the game day.
Because, y'know. He's scum.
Katsuki wrote:The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.
Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.
Funny how we think alike even when not in a hydra. /commented on this earlier today.
Mara/Orc wrote:I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted
The thought did cross my mind. (You're not town for bringing it up, though.)
Titan wrote:But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.
*cough*
Katsuki's 5699 is pretty dang awesome, too.
Titan wrote:A godfather rolecop maybe? That still doesn't account for des tracking him there if katsukis telling the truth.
My basic working theory is that AP did visit Stalin, and Katsuki's role did work, but AP doesn't know his role didn't work, because it did, just not now; it got delayed whatever the delay may be.
There are any numerous variations on the basic theory, though, that AP's scum with a role power. Like that AP is scum, with Katsuki's role failing yet AP succeeding in having targeted Stalin. Too many variables to account for.
Frankly, they should just be lynching off of play.
...Which, y'know.
Still points squarely at lynching AP ANYWAY.
Pedit: a godfather roleblocker?
Thought of that, too. Godfather-something, yes.
If des is town and literally said that in the neighborhood my respect for his town game has plummeted to the bottom of the fucking barrel.
Welcome to how I feel about basically the entirety of the town players who pushed me as being scum, consistently.
And, yeah, DesBRO is town.
F-16 wrote:I am starting to think Penguin is town because this probably wouldn't be the way scum-her would interact with me.
'bout time! Now figure out that Katsuki's town for 100%, plz.
I have concerns Nacho and AP are scum together. This is almost entirely a tinfoil hat theory but it is possible they could have enjoyed creating a ton of chaos this game and Nacho asked AP to hydra with him.
Tinfoil?
Try Mastinfoil; I was just telling you that ALMOST ALL OF DAY TWO.
Mastin's reads aren't extremely helpful besides a few strong ones like AP and Nacho. At some point or the other, she accused nearly the entire living playerlist of being scum.
So don't pay attention to random spots in my iso; pay attention to the damn ending spots where I had four names, and then the reasons for each. In which you'd realize that PV would go back into my scumlist for the vig claim.
Seriously. This wasn't a case where my reads changed every other post to the bitter end. I was there, settled down, with a final fucking reads list, four damn players in a neatly-wrapped package. All you'd have to do to read my posts and follow my will is realize that one name (Red Gyarados) is there for a roleclaim that PeregrineV has now done...which means that a living me would put him in Red Gyarados's place. Not that damn hard.
I'm almost certainly right about the scum vig. I was wrong about the owner of the power, sure, yeah, but almost certainly not the logic. Nacho DID start pushing me IMMEDIATELY after I had that theory.
F-16 wrote:Nacho killing Pie makes perfect sense. He saw the interactions between me and Pie and I think he'd want to take away the player that I'm using as my touchstone/stake-in-the-ground/rock-solid-read as it fits in with a scum-Nacho style of thinking. Nacho's priority would be to take out Titan, Stalin, and me in that order based on NY169 but if he saw the emerging paranoia in the neighborhood, he might want to delay those kills so that a distraction can form and he would still vividly remember Pie leading the town to victory in Empire's large and would know that he can keep himself engaged and not become even as the game drags on. The most likely kill N1 was probably Titan with Mac dying as a result because Mac had Titan as one of his strongest townreads.
Now you're talking!
Stalin wrote:I'm also befuddled that he thinks level of involvement in this game should be indicative of town-Mastin given her day 1 involvement in L4D.
Given that I explicitly described the intent behind my scumplay that game and exactly why I did what I did and how there was a plan and it was executed perfectly?
...Yeah. AP would say it as either alignment, because it's true. My play here was NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. Like L4D, because in L4D, I was trolling on D1 and playing scummily on purpose, not only for fun but also for my plan. This game, I putt actual :effort: in; that game, I was just posting. How the fuck can you even compare the two?
