Mini 1580: EpicMafiaTime [GAME OVER]

[Generic]

And the mod can now add kthxbye to those people needing a warning.

I find the term offensive and expect an apology.

As for the res of your response, try and force it a little more, it didn't quite come across as fake enough yet.

[Kthxbye]

If youre going to be a sensative sally, you may want to not play an online forum game.

Next it was a movie quote and youll never get an apology from me when I correctly diagnose your play in this or any game.

Third, pull your pin out and expand on how my posts are scum posts instead of bitching and whining like a baby.

Kthxbye.

[tn5421]

How about lynch all liars. That's a great one and applies here.

I happen to agree.

VOTE: Salamence20

If Jake is not going to play and spend days attacking and threatening to spam, I call for force-replacement on the basis of post 108

If I knew Jake had a stick up his ass when I did this, I would have never done this. Jake, shut the fuck up and play the game. What do you think of kthxbye, redcoyote and his vote on HC?

This doesn't fly. You pissed him off on purpose and are now trying to pass the blame.

Sure I said I will never change (probably not true but that shows how serious I am about my scum read on him)

Do you mean this or don't you? You need to understand words have meanings, Jake. You saying you refuse to play the game if you don't get your way means something when I read that. You can go back after the fact as you are doing here and say it is all hyperbole just to show how "serious" you are, but that doesn't erase history.

Otherwise I can simply say, "Sure I called you a VI (it's probably not true but that shows how serious I am about how childish you are acting)".

I mean, do you really not comprehend the obvious contradiction of these two statements?

• I'm not changing my vote until he is dead or mod confirmed town. So yeah...

  Sure I said I will never change (probably not true

It's either true or it isn't true. If it's true, then you are a VI and I have no interest in attempting to reason with you. If it isn't true, you are not a VI and we can have a civilized game with you as a part of it.

Check your pride at the door, man. I'm not better than you. Sal's not better than you. You're not better than anyone else. This is a game.

See I can't predict the future man. As I stand right now I can't see any reason why I would change off Sal but that doesn't mean that later in the day phase somebody does something that I see as scummier.

Being confident in who I want to lynch doesn't make me a VI.
Saying I won't change my vote but knowing it's possible as the day phase plays out I give up when it's obvious i am not going to get my way doesn't make me a VI
The fact that I am confident in myself to think I have found scum and refuse to waiver especially since nobody has provided a better option doesn't make me a VI.


herschel hasn't done anything scummier than sal (I mean you are voting him for lying )
Mir hasn't done anything scummier than sal
kthx hasn't done anything scummier than sal
tn hasn't done anything scummier than sal

Tunneling is pretty scary when someone does it to you.

If youre going to be a sensative sally, you may want to not play an online forum game.

Next it was a movie quote and youll never get an apology from me when I correctly diagnose your play in this or any game.

Third, pull your pin out and expand on how my posts are scum posts instead of bitching and whining like a baby.

Kthxbye.

You spend more time insulting people than making a case. That's pretty much against the rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

If youre going to be a sensative sally, you may want to not play an online forum game.

Next it was a movie quote and youll never get an apology from me when I correctly diagnose your play in this or any game.

Third, pull your pin out and expand on how my posts are scum posts instead of bitching and whining like a baby.

Kthxbye.

There's no need to call someone a retard though.

[Skullduggery]

Day 1, Vote Count #4

(0) RedCoyote
(1) tn5421 -- Bookitty
(0) d3x
(0) Not Voting
(1) Bookitty -- Mirhawk
(2) Kthxbye -- Generic, Not Voting
(1) Haschel Cedricson -- RedCoyote
(0) Jake from State Farm
(0) tysker
(2) Mirhawk -- Salamence20, Haschel Cedricson
(0) Generic
(3) Salamence20 -- Jake from State Farm, Kthxbye, tn5421
(1) Natirasha -- Natirasha

Not Voting: d3x, tysker

With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Day 1 Will End on Saturday, June 28th, at 7 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-28 19:00:00)

d3x is V/LA until 6/23.

Next time, we eat the sun. It might take us a while, BUT WE'LL F**KING DO IT.

.

[Skullduggery]

If Jake is not going to play and spend days attacking and threatening to spam, I call for force-replacement on the basis of post 108

Denied.

mod I have asked red to apologize and since he's violated one of your rules I'm asking you please provide him a warning. Thanks.

Denied.

[Skullduggery]

I have made the following addition to the Game Rules post.

(31) Do not ask me to mod-kill, force-replace, or discipline any other player in the game. That is my decision to make, not yours.

I trust that following this rule will not be a problem.

Also, this is just a friendly reminder that you shouldn't talk about ongoing games. Not even a little bit. Don't even mention them. If you want a less friendly reminder:

Stop f**king talking about ongoing games or else we're gonna break down your door, kill your pets, cook them, smother them in barbecue sauce, and eat them right in front of you!

[Jake from State Farm]

I had high hopes for this game. I expected the mod to enforce the rules he put in place. Bad mod is bad

request replacement

[Skullduggery]

Acknowledged. Jake from State Farm is being replaced. Currently searching for a replacement.

In case there was any confusion, "Players must apologize if they hurt another player's feelings" is not one of my rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

Acknowledged. Jake from State Farm is being replaced. Currently searching for a replacement.

In case there was any confusion, "Players must apologize if they hurt another player's feelings" is not one of my rules.

You refused to punish a player who directly violated a game rule.

[Skullduggery]

You are no longer an active participant in this game. Please do not post anymore.

If you wish to continue this conversation, send me a PM. Thank you.

[RedCoyote]

I don't want to say anything further about Jake because I don't want to provoke him to post in the thread any more while the game is going on. I encourage everyone else to follow my lead.

So, let's put another subject on the table... who is the biggest scum player here and why is it HC?

[Natirasha]

<3 Skullduggery

anyways reading now.

[Skullduggery]

Squirrel Girl replaces Jake from State Farm. Welcome to the game, Squirrel Girl!

[Bookitty]

I don't find Haschel all that scummy. I'm voting the person I find to be the scummiest right now.

@Salamence:

Now that the screaming has died down, can you explain briefly in your own words the purpose of your fake-miller-claim gambit? I think I understand it, but I would like to hear it direct from you.

[Mirhawk]

Is this jazz over HC only about the time stamps or did I miss something? Because that seems a bit unlikely. While he could choose to ignore the timestamps to make TN look worse, that would pretty much be dependent on twelve other people not noticing the time stamps to call him on it.

I don't particularly feel good about not voting. He took a fairly safe position and followed it up by telling most most of the active posters he found them town.

@TN
Is your vote on sal solely a lynch all liars vote?

Unvote

[Squirrel Girl]

I is reading! I read slow! Tonight though, will finish tonight.

[Bookitty]

Thank you for replacing

[tn5421]

Is this jazz over HC only about the time stamps or did I miss something? Because that seems a bit unlikely. While he could choose to ignore the timestamps to make TN look worse, that would pretty much be dependent on twelve other people not noticing the time stamps to call him on it.

I don't particularly feel good about not voting. He took a fairly safe position and followed it up by telling most most of the active posters he found them town.

@TN
Is your vote on sal solely a lynch all liars vote?

Unvote

It is 50% Lynch All Liars, 50% "Personal Attacks Aren't Okay".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Quick skim and catchup time!

I didn't look at the time stamps.

I don't buy this, HC. I think this is a flat out lie. You mean to tell me you posted questions to tn at 11:27 PM, he answered an unreleated question at 11:28 PM, you called him out for not answering your questions at 11:31 PM, and you didn't look at the time? You didn't realize that it had only been ~4 minutes since you asked him the questions? The questions you specifically told him you wanted him to "think about"?

I kind of dismissed it as overanxious at first, but now I'm seriously concerned with you trying to backtrack here.

Sorry, but it is what it is. Question-dodging is one of my biggest pet peeves and when I think I see it I pounce first and think later. The word "sorry" in my first sentence notwithstanding, I actually make no apologies for this; the accusation of question-dodging forced a quick response, and a quick response is always better than one that has a lot of time to be written.

I would also like you to explain post 91 better. It is generally accepted that the easiest answer is probably the correct one and how you got to kthx scum doesn't look easy at all.

No, Occam's Razor states that ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the easiest answer is probably the correct one.

It was the easiest answer from my perspective. I don't see why you don't see what I'm saying.

Here's an example:

I say "yay, I'm do excited whenever I'm in a game with Natirasha!"

You ask why, and add that you will be looking back at past games I was on with him.

Now if I were to answer "cos I find him a lot if fun to play with" you wouldn't see much in yhat.

However if I were to go "cos I have enjoyed playing in scum
Teams with him. But that isn't to say I don't enjoy playing with him as town, cos I love playing in games with him when I'm a pr... Or vanilla."

You are gonna look at that and think. 'Why has he just explained an over complicated answer covering every fucking possible combination? Why has my question made him so jittery?'.

To me that answer over explained and covered all possibilities. That's at best a fluff respobse, and at worst wifom to make you wonder if they are a PR so you may not want to wagon them.

This is a good point, and kthxbye merits further investigation.

Even if he was gambiting to catch scum, mir's reaction was more town IMO.

Disagree.

@TN
Is your vote on sal solely a lynch all liars vote?

It is 50% Lynch All Liars, 50% "Personal Attacks Aren't Okay".

This is horrible.

Speaking of horrible, I think everybody missed it because it's only one post and Jake from State Farm was acting all pissy for no reason, but I want to redirect everyone's attention to tysker's only post:

Hi guys.

Don't know what to think of the drama between sal, tn and mirhawk.

@sal

Why did you claim miller and then took it back afterwards?

@mirhawk

What's so scummy about claiming miller day one?

@bookitty

When did tn softdefend Mirhawk?

@Natirasha

Why are you voting for yourself?

Two of the questions are already answered in the thread, the other two aren't particularly hard-hitting, and there is no attempt at analyzing anything in the game at all. This is Peak Lack-of-Effort right here.

[Squirrel Girl]

Oakies, that actually went pretty easy because page 6 was a skim page, yay! I actually find it disconcerting how many sheep I managed to get on the Sal wagon. I mean...the Sal wagon. Yeah, sure, the claim was silly and probably did nothing but, really, people are going to sheep that? With some of the other stuff in play? It doesn't even make sense to me. I predict Sal town and one of Kthx/TN to be likely scum. I'll also admit to not being overly amazed by Not_Voting. I agree with HC's attack on this page towards Tysker...but with Tysker's join date it feels...a little straw graspy. I agree with Mirhawk about the gaping hole in the HC push...and I agree the HC question dodge thing was silly but...I mean, I don't think he expected that alone to get a lynch, at best it was an excuse to get on, and I don't think he needed to lie, at that stage of the game, to get on a wagon or pressure someone. Not calling HC town - but unsold by the case.

I have Mir, Boo, and Red as moderate town reads of varying levels.

Vote: Kthnxbye

Wagon...wagon...speed wagon, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Squirrel Girl]

I guess I'll say hello to the Kitty, and hello to the people I've played with before! Mostly so I can buddy you so I'll not be lynched!

[Generic]

If youre going to be a sensative sally, you may want to not play an online forum game.

Next it was a movie quote and youll never get an apology from me when I correctly diagnose your play in this or any game.

Third, pull your pin out and expand on how my posts are scum posts instead of bitching and whining like a baby.

Kthxbye.

I'm borderline autistic.

Would you be happy to call someone in a wheelchair derogatory terms? Maybe you like to be racist too in games?

I'm disappointed that the moderator would find it acceptable the term retard can be tossed at people.

[Salamence20]

ok, let's talk Miller and all the chaos it caused.

First of all, I am not a miller of any sorts, despite what Jake/Kthx/TN think.

Now that goes to:

1. Sala is a lier and should be lynched
2. Sala is scum
3. Sala is fakeclaiming

So lets stop this nonsense and prove this was policy.

First of all, TN has the nerve to say I started this fight, and that he is the victim. Here is why that is not true. In the queue:

Sal maybe the only name i recognize as having played with.

Policy day 1

Yes you should be. Disney revenge

Now, he (IMO) thinks I am joking based on what happened in our last encounter. I thought we were going to be good rivals and this would be a tough game.

Then the game starts and I claim Miller just to see how he reacted, I was guessing a quick RVS vote. No taunting, no intentional lying, just old fashioned RVS. Now someone could say bullshit, but if you say that, then this would be somewhere in the same ballpark:

So excited for this game!

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

He was scum in one of my first games on this site. Clearly he's making a career of it!

If Boo tunneled HC today, we would have nearly the same identical problem.

Now Mirhawk comes in and deems me as scum but doesn't vote. Well hey, I was going to wait for Jake's response, but this was a chance to end RVS quick and simple, the way I like it.

Now I am going to deal with the actual thread. Maybe I am missing stuff about this claim. If I am, please tell me, I might be a little hot-headed still.

Anyways on to the actual Q&A.

[Salamence20]

Sal, what do you make of HC saying that he wasn't aware of the time between his questions and tn's response?

I don't see it as scummy compared to TN/Mir

Speaking of Mir, I would unvote and probably go with buddyTN, but then he would claim OMGUS.

Fuck TN post 152 And both KTHXBAI posts. That is all

So, let's put another subject on the table... who is the biggest scum player here and why is it HC?

TN > MIR > HC

This is horrible.

Speaking of horrible, I think everybody missed it because it's only one post and Jake from State Farm was acting all pissy for no reason

HC, are we Masons? Because I am starting to think we think too much alike.

Welcome Squirrel and I'm glad we can start reasoning together. How do you feel about Mir?