You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Garmr]

I'm starting to regret signing up for this one. Honestly if you're just going to skim, Imo, you don't have time to play the game.

Well fuck you to.

Let me put it this way. If you don't have time to read my posts and attempt to understand them, then why would your posts be informed enough for them to be worth my time to read and respond to fully? The only people who can fully play to their wincon and not really read the thread/skim it are scum, because they already have everything figured out.

I did read your posts Like i said I read every post and these are my first thoughts off my head aka a skim. I don't like how your trying to invalidate my logic because of this instead of my actual logic. Also do you scum read everyone who votes you or is that just a habit? I don't like the round about way your handling things now.

[Elyse]

Heyyyyy. I'm happy to finally be in a game without RC!!

In other news, the passionate storm has been notably absent from the start of the game.

Why would you expect them to be here for gamestart?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Varsoon's town.

Why?
Also why did you feel it was necessary to change your vote three times on page 1?
@Aneninen
First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

PEdit:
Yes. I just did my research. I'll assume this is Titus speaking. Where's your other head?

Hmmm. Not sure if I believe you're a newb. But that's irrelevant to alignment anyway. I see you've been in two games already, why are you excited about your roleplay only now?

I hate hydras.

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

Was your vote on Spider Gwen RVS?

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.

Anen is making a long post but it sheeps what is already done.

We asked why EE doesn't like the thread. Jeanne pressed on AJ. The "doesn't feel like RVS" was asked already.

The only things that weren't repeats reveal a focus on being on the outside. Don't see how 46 is a joke at all, but Anen's concern highlights he feels like an outsider. the response to 50 seems like buddying and egging EE on.

VOTE: Anen

~Titus

Good vote. I also thought something seemed off about Anen's tone. And as stupid as RVS is, Anen's RVS on me did seem kinda forced and safe as well.

Sorry. How I see it, town should be acting town to others along with scumhunting. Do you think that town should actively point out the town things that they are doing to accomplish this goal?

This question seems obvious. What answer were you hoping to get from that?

Eagle-

1) For clarification, are you actively claiming to be purposely withholding a vote in order to gauge reactions from people that notice it?
2) In response to your question, I post what I think I can bring to the table. If something has already been said, no need to say it again.

1. Yes.
2. Perhaps. But theory is not necessarily a wonderful thing to bring to the table, especially in RVS. At least, not in my opinion, but that is theory, so I'll stop there.

But now it's time for this:

VOTE: errantparabola

I didn't like the tunneling. But I especially didn't like the way he backed off at the end.

@Passionate Storm: who is green? Who is grey?

I don't think errant was tunneling or backing off. He interacted with Titus and continued to call BS on your purposeful lack of a vote. Justify this.

I think we'll keep that quiet. One of us at least would like to post anonymously without meta baggage at some point.

I don't get the errant vote.

~Titus

Makes sense.

It's a weak read. But he kept asking silly questions on the lack of vote while implying that a vote gets more reactions, even after my lack of vote has gotten far more responses from multiple people and I think the responses are more genuine because I believe the intentional lack of vote is not expected. So blatantly ignoring facts to pursue a read and tunnel through certain other interesting things going on around him such as the aneninen accusation or the Gwen response, or even you, which he eventually pursued but backed off to state something reasonable and kind of defend you in a strange way. On top of this, he backs off slightly to clarify, and then responds unreasonably when I call him out on it. In my experience, town is far more unreasonable than scum- they're lives are slightly more expendable and they have less to work with, so they in a way have to be somewhat unreasonable to force frantic scum to try to reason with them or get in an argument with another town, and thus gain a read.

Okay...if town is unreasonable then why is errant scum for being unreasonable? I also still don't see where he backed off.

I'd like to add to this and state that I believe there IS another type of town that would prefer to sit back and watch, I.e. myself, as well as other players in this game, I believe, but even these players can be forced to scrambling in the dirt with everyone else should no one else create enough content.

I understand. I really do. But I'd like to point out that it's very possible that this is scum here justifying a lack of scumhunting in the future. Setting the stage to defend against future attacks, if you will.

I was liking errant up until this. It's apologetic for no reason.

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

Why a FoS and not a vote?

@EE
This might just be me being dense but could you quote exactly where errant backed off on pushing you? I don't see it.

VOTE: passionate storm

literally only good things can come from wagoning this

Why?

VOTE: Aneninen

I agree with Titus that he looks scummy,

but you can do her either.

What does the bolded mean?

Intuition says she's scum.

Oh, Nenny, deary, such flattery is unnecessary when speaking to me.

Please, just say, "instinct says she's scum".

Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Deary, what you say here does not match what you said earlier.

VOTE: Passionate Storm.

Errant

may

also be sour, however, I am not sure of this.

...Actually, while Passionate Storm is a sourread of mine, I think that I'd rather do this:
VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.

~Titus

You like that post? I'd like you to address AJ's scumread on you and accusation that your RVS vote and serious vote aren't what you said they were.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

This seems like a bs vote. Why would scum want to get involved in everything?

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

I take that back. I don't think Eagle is town. More like null. UNVOTE:
Give me some time to think

I'm gonna need you to explain your thought process here.

OK Eagle, I see the post you think errant is backing off in now...I disagree.

Now you think the gambit failed...so what's your read on errant?

I could see myself voting a number of people atm, but I'll slap a vote down here for now and see what it does.

VOTE: Garmr

P-edit:

Yeah this was the right vote.

[Garmr]

Heyyyyy.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

This seems like a bs vote. Why would scum want to get involved in everything?

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

I take that back. I don't think Eagle is town. More like null. UNVOTE:
Give me some time to think

I'm gonna need you to explain your thought process here.

OK Eagle, I see the post you think errant is backing off in now...I disagree.

Now you think the gambit failed...so what's your read on errant?

I could see myself voting a number of people atm, but I'll slap a vote down here for now and see what it does.

VOTE: Garmr

P-edit:

Yeah this was the right vote.

Scum want to be involved in everything so they look like they are doing something tell me what has eagle actually contributed to hunting scum. His vote epola was bullshit yet his been involved with all these other events I would think a townie who was involved in everything would push more on a scum read showing eagerness. This seems like scum eagerness to look town.

[Garmr]

And yes i'm saying eagle has contributed shit all despite his numerous post. His post show no sign of hunting or trying to figure out the game. He takes around about way of defending himself as well drawing away from the reason people vote him instead of addressing it.

[Passionate Storm]

I liked AJ's post regarding Klingoncelt. It's exactly how you and I read it. Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier but it's probably hydra confusion or buying crap Gwen is spewing. Overall everything else she said was good.

I think Garmr is town. Eagle is being quite aggressive for wanting to observe, even commenting on how others should reply. I can tell you I like to be involved with everything as scum. You can't control what you aren't a part of (usually).

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

^^ is Titus

[grapes]

151 looks like a scum wall

[Passionate Storm]

151 looks like a scum wall

Forgot to add you to weak scum as well.

Why is 151 a scum wall?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

~Spiffy

Perhaps wasn't a failure after all. But I think it was definitely worth a shot.

UNVOTE:

I need sleep now, however. And then to sit and watch for a time.

PEdit: ... Ok. 1st question: do you, or do you not, skim the posts?
2nd: some people I have run into over the years have this strange obsession with logic and the invalidation of such. They think people act logically. Some even think that invalidating someone's logic is alignment indicative. I can assure you that from my experience, this is rarely the case.
3rd. Might I say that for someone who is scum reading me for responding to other people's accusations about my gambit and other posts, it seems strange that you get frustrated when I'm not excited to respond to your accusations about such things? Who's "logic" is strange now?
4th. I gave reasons for my scum reads. If you did not read them, that is your problem, not mine. You can just continue doing what you're doing and I'll just ignore you. I will vote for and call scum who ever I think is scummy or whoever I think calling scum might get me a better read on someone else regardless of whether or not someone else is voting for me.

I play games with other people's votes on me. It's what I do. Sometimes it's intentional because it helps me get my reads. Other times it's because I tried a gambit. And still others times I have really crappy play. If I only voted for people who weren't voting for me, in my past experience, my options would be severely limited.

Thank you. I'm tired. I need time to look, read, and think.

PEdit: oh crap. Everyone is here again. Looks like I won't get to sleep now.

[Elyse]

And yes i'm saying eagle has contributed shit all despite his numerous post.

His post show no sign of hunting or trying to figure out the game.

He takes around about way of defending himself as well drawing away from the reason people vote him instead of addressing it.

Now that you mention it, that is true.
@EE
I want some reads from you.

I liked AJ's post regarding Klingoncelt. It's exactly how you and I read it. Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier but it's probably hydra confusion or buying crap Gwen is spewing. Overall everything else she said was good.

I think Garmr is town. Eagle is being quite aggressive for wanting to observe, even commenting on how others should reply. I can tell you I like to be involved with everything as scum. You can't control what you aren't a part of (usually).

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Okay. It pinged me a little when you liked a post that called you scum and didn't address that part of it.

I do agree that Eagle is being aggressive for wanting to observe and I think errant touched on this earlier. However, I don't think that scum want to be involved in everything. It opens you up to scrutiny and slip-ups and stuff. Spifflop said he's more willing to engage here than he was in a game where he was scum, which also backs up what I'm thinking. This is more theory though.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Heyyyyy. I'm happy to finally be in a game without RC!!

In other news, the passionate storm has been notably absent from the start of the game.

Why would you expect them to be here for gamestart?

presence in other threads.

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

PEdit:
Yes. I just did my research. I'll assume this is Titus speaking. Where's your other head?

Hmmm. Not sure if I believe you're a newb. But that's irrelevant to alignment anyway. I see you've been in two games already, why are you excited about your roleplay only now?

I hate hydras.

This is the first one I've started from scratch. And me too.

OK Eagle, I see the post you think errant is backing off in now...I disagree.

Now you think the gambit failed...so what's your read on errant?

I don't know. That's why it's a failure. Give me time to think and sleep and I'll get back to you on it. If I can get a solid read on anyone from it, it's not a failure, though.

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

I'm just going to put this out there: (I haven't had a chance to reread the thread yet) but at this moment in time I disagree with a majority of your reads. We'll have to discuss this in detail tomorrow.

Yes, I'd like to sit back and observe. But we don't always get what we want, do we? And I like starting things off.

[Passionate Storm]

@EE, The thread had been open for all of 20 minutes at the time. :/

[Passionate Storm]

I also would like you to state which reads, specifically you disagree with.

[Garmr]

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

~Spiffy

Perhaps wasn't a failure after all. But I think it was definitely worth a shot.

UNVOTE:

I need sleep now, however. And then to sit and watch for a time.

PEdit: ... Ok. 1st question: do you, or do you not, skim the posts?
2nd: some people I have run into over the years have this strange obsession with logic and the invalidation of such. They think people act logically. Some even think that invalidating someone's logic is alignment indicative. I can assure you that from my experience, this is rarely the case.
3rd. Might I say that for someone who is scum reading me for responding to other people's accusations about my gambit and other posts, it seems strange that you get frustrated when I'm not excited to respond to your accusations about such things? Who's "logic" is strange now?
4th. I gave reasons for my scum reads. If you did not read them, that is your problem, not mine. You can just continue doing what you're doing and I'll just ignore you. I will vote for and call scum who ever I think is scummy or whoever I think calling scum might get me a better read on someone else regardless of whether or not someone else is voting for me.

I play games with other people's votes on me. It's what I do. Sometimes it's intentional because it helps me get my reads. Other times it's because I tried a gambit. And still others times I have really crappy play. If I only voted for people who weren't voting for me, in my past experience, my options would be severely limited.

Thank you. I'm tired. I need time to look, read, and think.

PEdit: oh crap. Everyone is here again. Looks like I won't get to sleep now.

who was that addressed to I am going to guess me

1.Yes I looked through every post then voted the one I thought was most likely scum it took me 3-4 minutes to read all the post so it was a skim. If i skipped posts I would of used the phrase skimmed past. Also what is your point in trying to argue the meaning of words. I meant it like i meant it trying to argue this way to devalue a case is bs.

2.yes I understand that people don't act logical sometimes but what's your point with this question. Can you actually give me a town reasoning as to why you didn't push your read and instead went on the defensive.

3.I'm not getting frustrated at that maybe i'm getting frustrated at the fact you keep diverting from the line of reasoning. This seems like a shitty attempt to paint me with a bad brush. You never even addressed the fact you didn't pursue your read even through you had plenty of time to as you addressed the defense and other people. So explain to me why my logic is strange again?

4.I read your singular reason for the scum read I don't think it's any good. Post 100 right is the full explanation of your read. So you scum read him in short for tunneling you and not having much attention to whats around him until he finished tunneling you and started paying attention to them right thus not giving you as much attention even through his votes on you. Kinda sounds like a bs reason to me and a delayed omgus so people wouldn't mention that. Now you unvote when he unvotes you and you are being pushed by someone else.......

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@EE, The thread had been open for all of 20 minutes at the time. :/

Time moves REALLY slowly when you're nervous.

I also would like you to state which reads, specifically you disagree with.

[quote="In post 154, Passionate Storm"
Town: Elyse, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Weak scum: Spider[/quote]
These ones. (Took my name off the list for relatively obvious reasons).

I'm tired. I'm going to sleep now. I'll reread and talk more in the morning.

[Elyse]

What are your reads

[Garmr]

@elyse&passionatestorm
Since you acknowledged that eagle isn't hunting the logical fact him getting involved in everything+lack of hunting=scum can I get you to vote on this slot?

[Passionate Storm]

@EE, I don't think Elyse v Garmr is scum scum. I don't see how anyone could. Why do you think TSO is scum? Gwen is town?

@Elyse, your thoughts on my reads?

[Passionate Storm]

@elyse&passionatestorm
Since you acknowledged that eagle isn't hunting the logical fact him getting involved in everything+lack of hunting=scum can I get you to vote on this slot?

Garmr, I am going to vote the largest wagons of my scumreads. Right now, I think that's Anen.

[Passionate Storm]

Oh and I think EE would be scum for different reasons.

[Garmr]

Oh and I think EE would be scum for different reasons.

Oh ok can you tell me those reason may convince more people to join the wagon plus it gives me a little look into you?

[Elyse]

@Garmr
I want to see EE's reads list. Then I'll consider joining you. It seems like he has reads but hasn't shared them.

@PS
I like your reads. I don't agree with the Garmr read, but since you agree with the reasoning behind the EE vote I see where your read comes from. His initial posts were off to me and I didn't like his reason for the EE vote. It is more justified now, but the aggression to EE initially for insinuating he didn't read his posts seemed forced.

I do like that he's reaching out to me rather than going up against me, which is what I expect scum Garmr to do.

Your other reads are all spot on. Errant is probably more weak town for me though.

[itlepip]

Holt shit guys wait a sec, I had a whole RVS vote planned and now I can't use it .

Quick reads, Passionate Storm is super town, I don't get the scumread at all.

EE feels like tryhard scum right now, I feel like the gambit start is a way to explain away future scumreads, so I don't like it at all. Really since when is not voting during RVS a gambit? The way town and scum calls you out on it is that same 'vote'. I feel like that was a setup so he could say that he is always scumread cause of gambits which gives him room to be scummy.

Gamr feels a little gut scummy but I feel a little sheepy with that read so \_(ツ)_/

VOTE: alliterated bird

PEdit: really this is moving so fast...
Not happy with Titus holding reads, EE prolly knows exactly who is town and who isn't

[Spifflop]

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

[Spifflop]

hey, itlepip. Explain that townread on titushydra right now.

I'm seeing almost the exact opposite so I'm curious why you're so strong with that titus read