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Mafia Role PMs

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Goon

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Spoiler: Mafia Odd Night Neighborizer

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Odd Night Neighborizer

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active
(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.
(Odd Night Neighborizer) - On odd nights you may target a player to recruit them into a Neighborhood. You will be granted a separate PT to talk to your target. You may talk there anytime you want.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Spoiler: Mafia JOAT

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Jack of all Trades

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active
(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.
(JOAT):
1 Shot Tracker - You may target a player to be tracked, thus discovering who that player targeted in the same night phase.
1 Shot Roleblocker - You may target a player, preventing them from performing a night action if they have any.
1 Shot Commuter - You may commute on a night of your choice hence making all actions performed on you on that night, fail.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

[Shadow_step]

Town Role PMs

Spoiler: rolestopper

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town Even Night Rolestopper

Abilties:

Passive - None

Active(Even Night Rolestopper) - On even nights you may target a player to stop all other Night actions from affecting them in any way.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Spoiler: Vanilla cop

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town Vanilla Cop

Abilties:

Passive - None

Active(Vanilla Cop) - You may target a player to check if they are Vanilla or Not Vanilla.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Spoiler: Desperado

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town Novice Desperado

Abilties:

Passive(Novice) - You may can not carry out your action on Day 1.

Active(Desperado) - On any day excluding Day 1, you may target a player to shoot them, if your target is town aligned you will die, if your target is mafia aligned they will die. This ability can only be used once.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Spoiler: Watcher Role PM

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town Ascetic 2 Shot Watcher

Abilities

:

Passive(Ascetic) – During nights, any actions targeting you will fail apart from those that would kill you.

Active(2 Shot Watcher) – On two nights of your choice you may target a player to be watched, you will discover which player(s) visited your target.

Win Condition

:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Town 1 shot BP

Spoiler:

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town 1 Shot Bulletproof

Abilties:

Passive(1 Shot Bulletproof) - All kill attempts on you in a single night will fail. You won't be told if a kill was performed on you or not.

Active - None

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Spoiler: VT

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Abilties:

Passive - None
Active – None
Oh well you still have your intelligence to game solve and nothing to lose, go wreck those scum bastards!

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

[mastin2]

You will be granted a separate PT to talk to your target. You may talk there anytime you want.

Does that mean each target receives a different PT?
If not, I would reword this.

1 Shot Roleblocker - You may target a player, preventing them from performing a night action if they have any.

Does that mean X-shot roles are refunded?
If not, I would reword this to be "causing any night action they would perform to fail". (The two are NOT synonymous. Preventing = stops from using; failing = it's used but fails.)

You are a Town Novice Desperado

Technically, this is two non-normal things: novice is not a Normal modifier, and Desperado is not a Normal role. I'm not quite sure on whether we can allow that. (Might be an "other reviewers" or even "To Nexus" question.) They're both IN the same role slot, but they are two different things on the same role slot.

All kill attempts on you in a single night will fail. You won't be told if a kill was performed on you or not.

I'm also not quite sure if I'm happy with this wording, though I'm not sure there's a better one. I feel like it may not be clear that what you mean is that the first night they would be killed, they will instead live.

Also, because it IS relevant to the game:
You need to define "x-shot BP vs. protection role" interactions. That being, if the BP still has its vest, and is protected by a protective role, would they use their vest, or would the protective role protect them and preserve the vest? (Given this is a rolestopper I am inclined to say the latter. However, you need a general answer--what if someone claims doctor, be it town or scum? What if someone ASKS about a doctor? And for that matter, what if someone asks about a BODYGUARD? There's also Jailkeeper to take into account. Just because those roles aren't in the game doesn't mean you shouldn't have answers for them.)

[mastin2]

And for that matter: the page on Desperado is ambiguous on whether the role is 1-shot or not.
You have it so that it is a one-shot role, but that is not something universal to it.
If the role is meant to be one-shot, I'd like that clearly stated as a modifier.

[Shadow_step]

Will make the necessary adjustments in some time.
Neighborising gives a separate PT yes.

[Shadow_step]

Role block part corrected

Mafia Role PMs

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Goon

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Spoiler: Mafia Odd Night Neighborizer

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Odd Night Neighborizer

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active
(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.
(Odd Night Neighborizer) - On odd nights you may target a player to recruit them into a Neighborhood. You will be granted a separate PT to talk to your target. You may talk there anytime you want.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Spoiler: Mafia JOAT

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Mafia Jack of all Trades

Abilties:

Passive(Factional Communication) - You make talk anytime to your buddies here........

Active
(Factional Kill) - At night one of you may target a player to be killed.
(JOAT):
1 Shot Tracker - You may target a player to be tracked, thus discovering who that player targeted in the same night phase.
1 Shot Roleblocker - You may target a player, causing any night action they would perform to fail.
1 Shot Commuter - You may commute on a night of your choice hence making all actions performed on you on that night, fail.

Win Condition:

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

[Shadow_step]

I'm also not quite sure if I'm happy with this wording, though I'm not sure there's a better one. I feel like it may not be clear that what you mean is that the first night they would be killed, they will instead live.

Should I change it to, "you won't be told if this ability has been used up or not?"

[Shadow_step]

Town Role PMs

Town 1 shot BP

Spoiler:

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town 1 Shot Bulletproof

Abilties:

Passive(1 Shot Bulletproof) - All kill attempts on you in a single night will fail. You won't be told if this ability has been used up or not.

Active - None

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

[Shadow_step]

Desperado Role PM changed to clarify it is "1 Shot"

Town Role PMs

Spoiler: Desperado

Welcome [Player], to Mini Normal ...

You are a

Town Novice 1 Shot Desperado

Abilties:

Passive(Novice) - You may can not carry out your action on Day 1.

Active(1 Shot Desperado) - Once on any day excluding Day 1, you may target a player to shoot them, if your target is town aligned you will die, if your target is mafia aligned they will die.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats have been eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

[Shadow_step]

I can maybe change the modifier on Desperado to Day 2 Desperado so that I don't need to use Novice

Also

*Accio Nexus*

[Nexus]

What? I'll go with the majority of the reviewers with the desperado role and maybe something we can discuss after the game.

[mhsmith0]

I thinkthe question is whether it's ok for one role to be nonstandard AND have nonstandard modifiers (like a super graylist role) wrt normal guidelines. I admit to not being an expert on that front so can't really answer.

[Shadow_step]

Mastin was asking if deperado a non normal role + giving it a novice modifier which is again non normal is okay or not?

[Nexus]

I mean, it's non-normal regardless?

I think it's fine and will take the flak.

[Shadow_step]

Cool thanks

[mastin2]

That's good enough for me.

[Shadow_step]

So the game can enter sign ups?

[mhsmith0]

I think we should let this game marinate a few more months

[mhsmith0]

Actual notes:

1) How does the desperado active his action? HURT: PLAYER? A PM to the mod? Something else? I'd actually explicitly lay out mechanically how it's supposed to work ahead of time (especially whether it's something he posts publicly to activate or not)

2) 1-shot BP: I don't know that it matters given lack of vig, but I think it's usually worded that the first kill attempt fials (i.e. if scum and vig target bp, bp dies). Nitpick and not vital, but I think I'd prefer the other way to be safe

3) Vanilla cop: Please clarify in role PM that it's at night (super nitpick there fwiw.. but you may get a total newb randing it)

4) Win con nitpick: what happens if parity is reached after night but the desperado still has his shot left? Like, that clearly should never happen, but should we worry about if it does? Because technically, that doens't lock in a scum win since desperado could still shoot during the day and turn the game around.

5) Maybe link the site rules in your OP general rules #1 post, just in case you have total newbs signing up?

Those are mainly nitpicks though, I think it's good to go into signups, since either way those are easy to resolve.

[Shadow_step]

The win con is properly worded for that, Mafia win when one of them is alive and everyone else is dead or nothing can prevent that. So if they go into the day in equal numbers, mafia haven't won if the Desp is still alive.

[Shadow_step]

Desperado action. I'll include that they have to send me a PM.
I'll put in a minimum requirement of having completed 1 game on the site at least to avoid complete noobs signing up.

[mhsmith0]

k. i'd still say it's important to clarify how the desperado power activates, and to make sure little things like night roles are noted as being night roles for potential newbs, are taken care of.

[Shadow_step]

I prefer the 1 shot BP to survive all the shots on one night. I mean even if the vig/skpmafia shoot him on one night he survives and loses his vest.

[mhsmith0]

since there's no vig or double kill power it doesn't really matter i guess, as long as someone else can verify that's acceptably normal role pm language