Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[shannon]

Postie's entrance looks townier than some of the other stuff I'm seeing here, so I've unvoted that slot since it was a vote mostly based on inactivity.

I'm a bit put off that Postie has made a towny looking entrance but scum reads one of my other town reads, in Think Big.
@Postie how can you tell that Alegebra is 'newbie town' but scum read Think Big, who has the same level of newbiness?

I'm frustrated that Aero and Creature both need prods. I'm even more weirded out that if I accept Algebra as newbie town and keep my other reads, that makes them the scum team. Surely not?

Not voting until I get more info x

[Postie]

@Postie how can you tell that Alegebra is 'newbie town' but scum read Think Big, who has the same level of newbiness?

Because algebra feels like he's actually thinking and just being obstinate, whereas Think Big feels like he isn't thinking at all due to the fact he's saying a lot of things without forming any opinions.

[Postie]

Creature how are you townreading shannon

If I had to guess it's because I played my first scum game with him, so he knows what to look for (I'm new here, only 2 scum games so far).

Hey shannon, can you give me more details on this? Would would Creature have picked up on that makes sense to townread you for?

[shannon]

That was a tongue in cheek comment, I don't think he's actually picked up on anything. In that game I was super town read and he was super scum read.

[Postie]

Fair enough.

Nice busy question btw.

Creature, what made you think Aero's question was a "busy question"?

[Aeronaut]

back reading

[Aeronaut]

i really would like to lynch algebra tbh

why what no why

Im with a thinkbig wagonVOTE: thinkbig

Probably because you've jumped on a wagon just because it's a wagon?

[Aeronaut]

Creature is giving reads (even if they're fairly naked ones) and trying to encourage activity so again, town-for-now

In what ways is creature encouraging activity? I really don't have any impression of him yet this game which is bothering me. What do you see that I don't?

Algebra's ISO looks scummy so far, with the wagon hopping, but I don't know whether scum would be that obvious? He is even newer than I am so maybe it's newbie scum and the partner isn't around to give advice? Null leaning slightly to scum

Um... why are you assuming scum have day talk?

I would vote Algebra but I don't want anyone at L-1 yet. So onward up the list I go.

VOTE: Flames

Well what's the issue with putting people at L-1? I don't get your reluctance here.

I was still sorting out the game

Gr8

Skimmed the game; Dark Horse is probably town, can't tell if algebra is newbtown or newbscum. More to come in a few hours.

Hi Postie! What makes you think that Dark Horse is town, because I don't see that very much.

As much as I hate posts like 110, 122, and 126, and can see why he got run up, overall I'm leaning newbtown on algebra now. I feel like I can sort-of see a thought process behind his posts maybe? The fact he isn't making a show of it and instead refuses to elaborate on anything feels like stubborn town. I do not endorse this wagon.

VOTE: ThinkBig

This is much better.

See, I feel though that Algebra's doing nothing to sort the game, and just is joining whatever wagon. Up to this point, TB looked really newbtown to me. Was there something else that made you think differently or is it like just how he posts

Spoiler: Catch Up Wall, FOS on Algebra and Creature

I am kind of townreading shannon and Dark House. I wanted to get out of the RVS.

You never answered my question. Why were you town reading shannon and Dark Horse despite the lack of activity and posts from those two?

ThinkBig why did you wait until now to vote creature

Mostly to try and get some activity going.

Shannon's scum though, there's no need for "empty votes" right now

See above.

VOTE: Dark Horse This isn't an OMGUS because he's targeting me, it's a vote on someone who's lining up lynches in a pretty scummy way

I agree with this.

Leaning on Flames + ThinkBig (algebra as third candidate), but not sure if both scum would lurk like hell.

Why me and why flames? Flames was just replaced and really hasn't posted much before. I'd love to see your justification for this.

Im with a thinkbig wagonVOTE: thinkbig

This is scummy. Hopping on a wagon without giving any reason for it.

Algebra is at L-1 and so I won't vote or hammer.

This looks like newtown to me. I feel like he'd have hammered or at least intended to hammer here otherwise. Idk

@Postie how can you tell that Alegebra is 'newbie town' but scum read Think Big, who has the same level of newbiness?

Because algebra feels like he's actually thinking and just being obstinate, whereas Think Big feels like he isn't thinking at all due to the fact he's saying a lot of things without forming any opinions.

I really feel the complete opposite. TB's posting is almost identical to what I see from new town when I'm ICing, where most new scum just kind of are afraid to do anything but let their partner do the talking.

[Aeronaut]

Postie, Shannon are both town as fuck by the way

[Postie]

I'll get to answering some of your questions in a bit but

Postie, Shannon are both town as fuck by the way

Why?

[Aeronaut]

because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it

[Aeronaut]

[Postie, Shannon]
[Think Big,
[Creature]
[Algebra, Dark Horse]

I think postie and shannon are pretty easily town for now. Think Big is leaning pretty town for me too.

Creature I don't know yet. I'd like him to contribute more. Still retain my scum read of Dark Horse, and Algebra has done little to make me think he's town

[Postie]

because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it

What makes you think I'm not scum whiteknighting?
And why are you townreading shannon so strongly?

[shannon]

@Aeronaut Re: 157 (because I still can't work out how to break up big quotes)

1) Creature gave me the impression that he was participating and encouraging others to do so, if only by doing things like saying RVS was ended, and throwing out reads that seemed to encourage response or more questioning. I agree it's not the strongest read in the world, for sure, but at that point in the game it was 'enough'.

2) I don't necessarily mean that scum have day talk, but isn't it fairly normal that scum get to have a wee chat before the day starts? I don't know how usual it would be for scum to get day talk in a game this small, or even, is there likely to be more than one scum to look for?

3) I don't like L-1ing someone if I'm not happy for them to be hammered. I do it occasionally (and sometimes accidentally), but at this early stage in the game I think it's not the right time. Especially if the candidate is a newbie. If say, you or Creature had done enough scummy stuff that I thought you were worthy of a vote, and you failed to defend yourself to the newbies in the game, then I'd L-1 for sure. I guess I'm trying to leave room for newbie error. (Though given that I'm a newbie, that might be an error on my part, too).

[Aeronaut]

because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it

What makes you think I'm not scum white knighting?

Because again... it makes so much less sense for scum-you to come in and derail the lynch, or at least it does from my perspective. I've also seen your scum play, and this doesn't feel like it.

And why are you townreading shannon so strongly?

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@Aeronaut Re: 157 (because I still can't work out how to break up big quotes)

1) Creature gave me the impression that he was participating and encouraging others to do so, if only by doing things like saying RVS was ended, and throwing out reads that seemed to encourage response or more questioning. I agree it's not the strongest read in the world, for sure, but at that point in the game it was 'enough'.

2) I don't necessarily mean that scum have day talk, but isn't it fairly normal that scum get to have a wee chat before the day starts? I don't know how usual it would be for scum to get day talk in a game this small, or even, is there likely to be more than one scum to look for?

3) I don't like L-1ing someone if I'm not happy for them to be hammered. I do it occasionally (and sometimes accidentally), but at this early stage in the game I think it's not the right time. Especially if the candidate is a newbie. If say, you or Creature had done enough scummy stuff that I thought you were worthy of a vote, and you failed to defend yourself to the newbies in the game, then I'd L-1 for sure. I guess I'm trying to leave room for newbie error. (Though given that I'm a newbie, that might be an error on my part, too).

Shannon is pretty clearly articulating her logic and progression here, and telling us the specifics of her thinking. I don't feel like it'd be this clear or make this much sense without a plethora of excuses had she had to fabricate these reasons.

[Postie]

Because again... it makes so much less sense for scum-you to come in and derail the lynch, or at least it does from my perspective.

Why?

I've also seen your scum play, and this doesn't feel like it.

Elaborate.

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Give me an example from before you gave your read on her please.

[Aeronaut]

@Aeronaut Re: 157 (because I still can't work out how to break up big quotes)

1) Creature gave me the impression that he was participating and encouraging others to do so, if only by doing things like saying RVS was ended, and throwing out reads that seemed to encourage response or more questioning. I agree it's not the strongest read in the world, for sure, but at that point in the game it was 'enough'.

I guess compared to the amount of inactivity in the game, Creature's activity is higher than the norm

2) I don't necessarily mean that scum have day talk, but isn't it fairly normal that scum get to have a wee chat before the day starts? I don't know how usual it would be for scum to get day talk in a game this small, or even, is there likely to be more than one scum to look for?

The reason it's confusing me is that you said it like you thought people were getting coached.

3) I don't like L-1ing someone if I'm not happy for them to be hammered. I do it occasionally (and sometimes accidentally), but at this early stage in the game I think it's not the right time. Especially if the candidate is a newbie. If say, you or Creature had done enough scummy stuff that I thought you were worthy of a vote, and you failed to defend yourself to the newbies in the game, then I'd L-1 for sure. I guess I'm trying to leave room for newbie error. (Though given that I'm a newbie, that might be an error on my part, too).

Fair, but people have to be pushed some time.


P-edit yeah postie I owe you more than that, one moment

[Aeronaut]

Because again... it makes so much less sense for scum-you to come in and derail the lynch, or at least it does from my perspective.

Why?

Because I wasn't here really and this game is filled with newbies who wouldn't care either way. You're scum, you don't want to prolong the day, yea?

I've also seen your scum play, and this doesn't feel like it.

Elaborate.

From what I saw in word sneak, you as scum took a backseat role and let the town kind of hash each other out. Here you're making a show of yourself.

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Give me an example from before you gave your read on her please.

105. Pretty good example from what I'm talking about. New scum doesn't make that post.

I actually townread shannon for the same reasons I've decided you're town, she's incredibly present and in the spotlight, asking people to get prodded / be more active in general. If that doesn't scream new town I don't know what does.

[Aeronaut]

So my vote is not going to think big I don't think, unless postie decides to present any sort of case on that besides what's in 151.

[Aeronaut]

Postie why in the world do you think DH is town?

[Postie]

Because I wasn't here really and this game is filled with newbies who wouldn't care either way. You're scum, you don't want to prolong the day, yea?

Unless it gets me towncred. If enough people are gunning for an algebra lynch already, he'd just end up being lynched another day anyway so what does it matter to me?

From what I saw in word sneak, you as scum took a backseat role and let the town kind of hash each other out. Here you're making a show of yourself.

Backseat role? Were we reading the same game? I deathtunneled the shit out of my partner.

105. Pretty good example from what I'm talking about. New scum doesn't make that post.

Aero, that's a goddamn basic list of safe as fuck reads, with a sentence of justification for each. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but you should probably point it out to me. You're better than this.

[Postie]

Postie why in the world do you think DH is town?

His posts read as brazen, ballsy, and unfiltered. Certainly not the kind of attitude I'd expect a fumbling newb like him to be able to fake.
I'm as baffled by your scumread on him as you allegedly are of my townread.

[Aeronaut]

Because I wasn't here really and this game is filled with newbies who wouldn't care either way. You're scum, you don't want to prolong the day, yea?

Unless it gets me towncred. If enough people are gunning for an algebra lynch already, he'd just end up being lynched another day anyway so what does it matter to me?

Because why allow there to be time for interactions to happen with you? We're in a 7p game. You'd think scum would be aiming to end the day quick and pretty much rob town of any sort of real interaction. I feel like that'd cripple town?

From what I saw in word sneak, you as scum took a backseat role and let the town kind of hash each other out. Here you're making a show of yourself.

Backseat role? Were we reading the same game? I deathtunneled the shit out of my partner.[/quote]
Not in your entrance.

105. Pretty good example from what I'm talking about. New scum doesn't make that post.

Aero, that's a goddamn basic list of safe as fuck reads, with a sentence of justification for each. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but you should probably point it out to me. You're better than this.[/quote]
I mean I don't know what game you're reading, but we're on page 7 right now. If you expect a full reads list with detailed analysis at this point, I don't know what to tell you? Shannon has contributed the most to the game in my opinion out of any other player at that point

[Aeronaut]

Postie why in the world do you think DH is town?

His posts read as brazen, ballsy, and unfiltered. Certainly not the kind of attitude I'd expect a fumbling newb like him to be able to fake.
I'm as baffled by your scumread on him as you allegedly are of my townread.

What are you talking about? Dark Horse has been around since 2010?

[Aeronaut]

And I'm not getting any sort of brazen or ballsy from his posts. What he's done today is tunnel Shannon for what seemed like little to no reason, and then gave us one of the thinnest lines of reasonings possible (see 89). And then he backpedalled and basically jumped on the next viable wagon which was algebra