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ok now PMs are set correctly

if my co-mod would be so kind and good to give those a scrutinizing, that'd be swell

nexus and FB too if you like

Doesn't the Jailkeeper also prevent actions targetting them as the normal definition? IF so, your JK PM needs a rework.

No, jailkeeper is doc plus roleblock, not roleblock plus rolestop.

See
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

Apparently there IS a rolestop variant, but that's non normal.

You still need to add that it protects them from a kill.

Oh duh. Reading is good

Sk wincon also applies if there are two alive and he's one of them.

Mafia wincon is typically when they get an outright majority or nothing can prevent that from happening. "When mafia is in control" is probably more vague than I'd like, tho I'm not sure what the best working for a sk game would be.

Roleblocker pm should specify whether he can roleblock and kill simulateously.

these should've been done and signed off on before you went into sign ups.

BG dies first
Compulsive BG dies 2nd
JK dies 3rd

(if any of them target the same target and that target is selected for a NK)

to me the SK wincon of "you win when all players are dead" is simply a matter of a technicality when there is the SK and 1player left - because that 1 player is then end-gamed, and THEN the SK wins (because then all players are dead)

essentially the win comes AFTER they are endgamed

AND, you have to note that if the a.) vigilante and SK or b.) vigilante and 1 mafia, are the last 2 players alive that the Night must happen to allow for the vigilante to shoot the scum or not. If they crossshoot each other in the end-game, there is no final winner (town denies scum the win, whereas if the town vig. thinks the last remaining player alive is town and does not shoot them, scum wins.)

my question is:

to not tip off the town vigilante that it is scum left alive when the game does not end at 1v1, can I send them a PM asking them if they want to use their kill or not so that I know how to write the final flavor, since I will be writing flavor for Game Begin, Day/Night starts, Game End? I understand that is not-normal...and it is an unlikely circumstance anyway that the vig. will not have used its shots~

or is that not how it'd work here? let me know, I'm just getting to know the ways of MS, but once I learn it I'll be gtg, don't sweat it

Don't pm individual players. You say that the game goes into just on the last day, let it go through. If the vig doesn't submit then they lose simple as that.

kyep

Is it normal for an sk to be able to win Posthumously? Typically one town one scum means scum win, even if the town is a vig or something.

I would definitely qualify that as no one winning

and would list it as "Town Lost"

unless the SK is suicidal and considers it a win if they die as long as they kill everyone, but my SK wants to live!!!

In post 161, drealmerz7 wrote:BG dies first
Compulsive BG dies 2nd
JK dies 3rd

(if any of them target the same target and that target is selected for a NK)

Jk does not die from his target being shot. Is that a typo or did you actually intend that result?

In post 169, drealmerz7 wrote:I would definitely qualify that as no one winning

and would list it as "Town Lost"

That is not a normal wincon resolution. I'm 80% sure that this would be a scum win, but I'll defer to nexus here.

no that is only if strongman were to kill the target it goes through version sorry

JK doesn't die if a strongman kills the jk'd target. Only the target dies.

I'm getting a bit concerned about resolution of wincon and NA's...

1) If there's one scum and one town vig left, who wins? This 100% needs to be resolved before game starts

2) If jailkeeper and roleblocker target each other, what happens? This is primarily relevant if the RB is jailed and then shot at (by town vig or SK, presuming not using a strongman shot there)

3) If a bodyguard targets someone with a BP, and that someone is shot, is the BP lost or is the bodyguard dead?

yes right I know, JK doesn't die in this version because this is a normal game, I am with it, no worries (: sorry for the worry

1.) it depends if the vig. shoots the scum at Night, if the vig. shoots the scum at Night (assuming the scum shoots the vig. of course), no one wins

2.) if JK and RB target e/o the JK jails the RB (sorry thought that was obvious)

3.) and yes sorry that was meant to be stated too, don't worry, I know it in my head!!! priority there is BG, CompulsiveBG, BP (so bulletproof is the last thing to get removed - that way the BPholders won't know if they have been shot at or protected in some way until they die)