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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:57 am

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In post 97, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 94, Cedrick wrote:Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.
If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.
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didn't this guy just say he townread kts
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:05 am

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In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
I don't get your mindset here - you hard townread Kill because scum wouldn't be aggressive early D1, but then dislike Kill admitting he's aggressive as either alignment?

Backwards reasoning.
In post 114, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 111, implosion wrote:
In post 110, katherine wrote:What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?
It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.
Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.
This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:06 am

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In post 97, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 94, Cedrick wrote:Idk if he’s scum yet but I’m leaning that way. If he is town I don’t believe for a second he believes any of the reads he’s given.
If he was town he'd definitely believe his reads. No reason to give reads he doesn't believe them if he's town.
I covered this already. Sometimes players give fake reads in rvs to generate discussion. There is literally no way he can scum read somebody off one post. His read on mumble at least in a lie. Idk about the rest of his reads. I don’t really believed his read on you either.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:08 am

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^disregard that post. Somehow I was on the wrong page and thought you said it again.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:10 am

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In post 151, Luca Blight wrote:This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say
Why is it scummy? I’m inclined to believe it except I’ll go one further and say even a wagon on me would be fine. Wagons = pressure which = discussion which = game solving.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 147, Cedrick wrote:
In post 138, MariaR wrote:
In post 135, Cedrick wrote:
In post 130, Ausuka wrote:Alright, Creature can be town.
Maybe but I dislike him thinking both kts and chill are town.
Because you disagree or?
Yes. I’m leaning scum on kts and null on tchill. I’m not excluding this being scum theater either but I don’t know if I’m ready to commit to that theory so early.
Why does having dif reads=dislike to you (I assume that means scummy as well correct me if wrong) I don't really think having dif reads is what's important it's the reasoning and if it feels genuine (as does all reads but this is basic mafia 101 talk I'm going into)
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:14 am

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'Any wagon but mine'
- is basically Mafia survivalism in a nutshell.

Add to that the fact he didn't even join said wagon.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:15 am

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In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
In post 81, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: mumble
VOTE: Tchill
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 151, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
I don't get your mindset here - you hard townread Kill because scum wouldn't be aggressive early D1, but then dislike Kill admitting he's aggressive as either alignment?

Backwards reasoning.
In post 114, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 111, implosion wrote:
In post 110, katherine wrote:What about it? Should he be drawing the same conclusion as you..?
It's very beg-the-question-y, as though it would be reasonable to nail someone as scum off of a single point. It looks like scum hedging on either a scumbuddy or on a townie and not really sure if they want to risk joining the possibly-developing wagon.
Early day one I'm down for any wagon that's not mine.
This is such a blatantly scummy thing to say I'm almost thinking it's Town.
This post is objectively false.
It's not backwards reasoning because doing something and
saying
something are 2 dif things. Acting one way is something admitting to it is something else and I think that's the case and point here.

Point 2:
How is that scummy? It's just blunt and true. Sure it's not the most optimal town play but that doesn't mean it's scummy.
Like day 1 for me I fully expect to be suspected maybe even lynched so I might just "roll with the flow"
same type of reasoning.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 157, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 108, Tchill13 wrote:I don't think there's enough reason to scum read mumble. I do appreciate activity but I feel like you're definitely trying to take control of the game and I also don't like how you pointed out you could be aggressive as scum also.
In post 81, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: mumble
VOTE: Tchill
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:19 am

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Well I guess only the first part of the post is objectively false the 2nd part is just a matter of opinion
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:24 am

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In post 158, MariaR wrote: This post is objectively false. It's not backwards reasoning because doing something and
saying
something are 2 dif things. Acting one way is something admitting to it is something else and I think that's the case and point here.

Point 2:
How is that scummy? It's just blunt and true. Sure it's not the most optimal town play but that doesn't mean it's scummy.
Like day 1 for me I fully expect to be suspected maybe even lynched so I might just "roll with the flow"
same type of reasoning.
The point is the progression is weird: he hard townreads him for aggressiveness but then dislikes him admitting he's aggressive as either alignment - I could understand if his reaction was
'Oh, in that case I'll rescind my hard townread on you'
, but to say he doesn't like it implies he sees it as possibly scum-motivated - which is weird as I would have expected his natural progression here to be
'why would scum admit they shouldn't be townread for something?'.


I addressed point 2 already.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:27 am

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In post 155, MariaR wrote:Why does having dif reads=dislike to you (I assume that means scummy as well correct me if wrong) I don't really think having dif reads is what's important it's the reasoning and if it feels genuine (as does all reads but this is basic mafia 101 talk I'm going into)
I’m confused. I don’t think I said I dislike him because he has different reads. I just dislike his reads because I don’t agree with them. Dislike doesn’t mean scummy, at least not in this context.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:28 am

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In post 112, Killthestory wrote:mumble's entrance while albeit not scummy into itself, within the context of the game, is a scummy pop in during rvs to lock a vote and leave. no sense of forming a wagon, no sense of solving, and the vote i have on him almost always hits a wolf.
Yeah this makes sense now, but honestly Tchill is just scum
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:30 am

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In post 116, Ausuka wrote:Notes so far;
from Maria is really reachy.
feels pretty scummy too. / is a huge overreaction to the push at that point.
I townread Cedrick and katherine.
Creature hasn't really posted enough to be sorted yet. If this keeps going for a while he can be town.
What kts did can come from either alignment and I haven't found anything to sort him with.

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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 137, MariaR wrote:
In post 120, Creature wrote:
In post 10, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: katherine
Too many already.
btw I'm super excited about this playerlist
This being Gamma's only post so far looks terrible.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:33 am

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In post 142, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 26, Creature wrote:Feeling like Harry Potter mash MS version.
Oh man what happened there
Gamethrowing town character-claiming and giving scum extra NK for the remaining nights.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:33 am

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but otherwise it was a pretty fun game to play.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:34 am

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Luca Blight can also join the townclub. If there's scum on Tchill it's Gamma.

pedit: If we lynched Tchill and he flipped scum, I probably wouldn't townread KTS for it. Them being scumbuddies could explain him continuing to hard-townread KTS even after KTS himself dismissed his point, but that's kinda meh. He'd stay null.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:35 am

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I don't townread KTS and Tchill because of the KTS v Tchill FYI.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:35 am

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I'm townread KTS and Tchill for particular reasons.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:36 am

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In post 117, brassherald wrote:
Both these posts feel fake to me. I really don't get the "scum takes things too seriously day 1" BS, and the Havo thing is weird as well, even if she does land on town.

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I mean 38 is based on scum not having a reason to think town are lying, as for the Havo thing I don't really know what you're scumreading?
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:37 am

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In post 161, Luca Blight wrote:The point is the progression is weird: he hard townreads him for aggressiveness but then dislikes him admitting he's aggressive as either alignment - I could understand if his reaction was 'Oh, in that case I'll rescind my hard townread on you', but to say he doesn't like it implies he sees it as possibly scum-motivated - which is weird as I would have expected his natural progression here to be 'why would scum admit they shouldn't be townread for something?'.
I feel like you're trying to connect the 2 statements as if it's similar when I don't think it is? Saying you townread someone for being aggro
but dislike said person for saying it is 2 dif statements to me it's not like they're the exact same thing where if they were I could see what you're saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't get how the progression is weird but seems like we just disagree
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:38 am

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Gamma's prob town
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 124, Creature wrote:Page 2

KTS and Tchill are town
hm While you're probtown this kinda feels a bit lazy? what do you think of Teech now?
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