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In post 146, DVa wrote:Dude Merlin doesn't claim the sword, that's mechanical redundancy and strictly anti-town

We want two ICs not one, wtf, you're better than this people

In post 149, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes but at some point, if the real Arthur is still in the game, Merlin would probably need to fake vig at that point to allow Arthur to have it. But the one problem with the confitown by sword claiming theory, is that it can only work until that player attempts to vig, because once any player has it and doesn’t use it, it cannot be claimed by another player, so no one should claim but the consensus scumread.

In post 145, Auro wrote:

In post 143, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:No, obviously anyone who claims the sword, will be confirmed town. The point is that unless Merlin loses the gadiate, it’s pointless otherwise for him to try to claim the sword.

If Merlin loses the gladiate, he dies.
The 'unless' being the 'worst case' I was referring to, where he's forced to gladiate and

wins

the gladiate.

Can you point out the part where I've contradicted myself, seeing otherwise as we're in agreement about this?

Also, your basis for a townread on Gamma is that he pointed out something that's not really that hard to deduce? How strong is this townread?

I know that INDEPENDENT of the previous discussed strategy, if Merlin simply claims the sword it's discarding the Merlin mechanic, but I still won't be quick to dismiss that idea so fast, much less townread someone for that. Also, previous challenge is still up where you come up with a strat that makes use of both the Merlin and Arthur mechanics.

In post 152, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:We need to both keep Merlin hidden and not give scum any clues about how Merlin should confirm Arthur. We also don’t want scum to figure out who Arthur is. If Arthur is the one who has claimed the sword, that is when Merlin can publically confirm it.

SirCakez wrote:this is gonna be one of those games i see

In post 151, Auro wrote:

In post 149, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes but at some point, if the real Arthur is still in the game, Merlin would probably need to fake vig at that point to allow Arthur to have it. But the one problem with the confitown by sword claiming theory, is that it can only work until that player attempts to vig, because once any player has it and doesn’t use it, it cannot be claimed by another player, so no one should claim but the consensus scumread.

So Merlin's trading his life for the *chance* that Arthur takes hold of it and gets vigging abilities?
The problem you're stating is what I'm stating as well - the person not following through. It's effectively 11/12 suicide the next night.

All matters are settled with duels, not lynches. Each of you may publicly challenge another to a duel, which gladiates the two of you.

In post 153, Auro wrote:1. *Consensus scumread gladiates next highest scumread*
2. Winner HAS to be the only person to claim
3. (If Merlin's alive) Merlin confirms if Arthur the next day, says nothing if not, thus confirming to town that yesterday's winner isn't Arthur
4. ???

Also, what are the advantages to town IF Arthur does get a hold of Excalibur? How much does it swing town's winning chances?

Pedit: Nancy, why would stating that idea help scum? Would you state it at a later point in the day? O.o

In post 7, Kokichi Oma wrote:Hello...

DUNNSTRAL

In post 19, DVa wrote:We should do unlimited hurt tags and have whoever gets a majority of hurt tags to duel the second most hurt player.

ie HURT: Elsa

In post 4, Untrod Tripod wrote:trying to resist the urge to duel Elsa rn

In post 6, Untrod Tripod wrote:lol you're cute

I'll vig you last

In post 27, Untrod Tripod wrote:holy quarterbacking, batman

In post 37, Untrod Tripod wrote:hey LLD

are we finally on the same side? will you join me in a Day 1 slam dunk scum lynch on Elsa?

In post 78, Untrod Tripod wrote:

In post 71, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 67, Varsoon wrote:Honestly, we get more value from having a strong town leader claim the sword rather than using it as a jank cop on bad town that no one wants to keep around anyway.

But the issue I realized just now is if I say "I'm taking it" I can just be shot to prevent it.

So we need two powerful town leaders both agreeing "we're taking it" so scum can only shoot one of us.

You and I or Myself and UT or even You and UT I'd be ok with, though I obviously prefer myself.

I volunteer as tribute

In post 86, Untrod Tripod wrote:if anything I followed LLD?

In post 33, Elsa Jay wrote:

In post 30, Firebringer wrote:

In post 28, Elsa Jay wrote:

In post 16, Elsa Jay wrote:Wonder what happens if Merlin gets the sword. Do they just... Become the god ruler of the town?

Serious question though, should Merlin just claim the sword and be done with it?

A sidenote to this: I'm personally viewing the day 1 duel as basically a popularity contest. So choose wisely if you duel someone.

They die when they try to use it. What part of Arthur can only use do u not get

The point of the matter is Merlin is confirmed town and safe from ever getting shot. I can deal without having a vigilante at all.

In post 39, Auro wrote:Throwing out a thought:
If scum claims Excalibur, they die immediately.
Town can vote on someone to claim Excalibur for the day. ONLY that person claims at night. If they're scum it remains unclaimed, lynch next day. If there's a claim treat them like an IC the next day.

In post 45, Auro wrote:Re: LL and Jay, I think it's better overall to discuss mechanics and find out a good strategy at this stage, instead of starting with the accusations already. *Shrug*

In post 72, Auro wrote:

In post 65, Varsoon wrote:@Auro: They kill town and keep the sword out of play, though, again, I don't think scum really have anything to fear if a townie WOULD get the sword is the problem, because then so long as that townie is not Arthur, it's just a BP IC and scum knows they're BP so they won't waste time there.

Exactly so scum don't have incentive to NK the claimant -- even if they do, you're saying this then reduced to a mountainous?

A town leader claiming it would be all the better reason to NK that person.

In post 48, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Nancy and UT are town

In post 160, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 153, Auro wrote:1. *Consensus scumread gladiates next highest scumread*
2. Winner HAS to be the only person to claim
3. (If Merlin's alive) Merlin confirms if Arthur the next day, says nothing if not, thus confirming to town that yesterday's winner isn't Arthur
4. ???

Also, what are the advantages to town IF Arthur does get a hold of Excalibur? How much does it swing town's winning chances?

Pedit: Nancy, why would stating that idea help scum? Would you state it at a later point in the day? O.o

If Merlin knows that Arthur holds Excalibur, then he needs to confirm Arthur -

after

he has the sword obviously - and he can start safely vigging consensus scum.

In post 161, Dunnstral wrote:This guy feels scummy to me as well

In post 0, FakeGod wrote:All challenges must be in BOLD, or they shall not count.

In post 158, Auro wrote:A person simply challenges another player, that's already given.
We'll need our own consensus mechanic to unofficially *make* a gladiate to happen, if we want town to be in control of it.
That's what we were discussing a few pages ago.
One proposal is that we use HURT tags, and when majority is reached, the player gladiates another scumread. (Maybe the second-highest HURT).

In post 164, Auro wrote:

In post 161, Dunnstral wrote:This guy feels scummy to me as well

Either you're tone-reading or there's some scummy content in what I've posted that you disagree with.
Which is it? If it's the latter, go ahead and engage me.

In post 166, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 158, Auro wrote:A person simply challenges another player, that's already given.
We'll need our own consensus mechanic to unofficially *make* a gladiate to happen, if we want town to be in control of it.
That's what we were discussing a few pages ago.
One proposal is that we use HURT tags, and when majority is reached, the player gladiates another scumread. (Maybe the second-highest HURT).

Yes but how do we force any player to duel? Why can’t scum just refuse? What’s stopping them from doing this? If there is no mechanic to force duels, then I don’t know how we ever get lynches.

In post 166, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 158, Auro wrote:A person simply challenges another player, that's already given.
We'll need our own consensus mechanic to unofficially *make* a gladiate to happen, if we want town to be in control of it.
That's what we were discussing a few pages ago.
One proposal is that we use HURT tags, and when majority is reached, the player gladiates another scumread. (Maybe the second-highest HURT).

Yes but how do we force any player to duel? Why can’t scum just refuse? What’s stopping them from doing this? If there is no mechanic to force duels, then I don’t know how we ever get lynches.

In post 166, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes but how do we force any player to duel? Why can’t scum just refuse? What’s stopping them from doing this? If there is no mechanic to force duels, then I don’t know how we ever get lynches.

In post 153, Auro wrote: 3. (If Merlin's alive) Merlin confirms if Arthur the next day, says nothing if not, thus confirming to town that yesterday's winner isn't Arthur

In post 154, SirCakez wrote:this is gonna be one of those games i see