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Tchill13 (2)

- Emperor flippyNips, Billy Pilgrim

Datisi (1)

- Iconeum

Robbnva (1)

- Datisi

Kop (1)

- Klick

Billy Pilgrim (1)

- Tchill13

Not Voting (3)

- Luca Blight, Kop, Robbnva

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Iconeum is V/LA for the weekend.

In post 28, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 27, Emperor flippyNips wrote:VOTE: Tchill

He knows why

Did you explain it to him in PT? Is that how he knows?

In making the claim that Billy could be scum, you would need a plausible explanation as to why he would make this post as scum The main reason I townread him is because I believe this post comes from town far more often than it comes from scum.

Can you explain what you think his scum motivation is there, Tchill?

Not in one rvs post I can't explain the scum motivation.

But I do see a pattern of "willful ignorance" and not trying to solve much.

The "I'm new or not sure what's going on" vibe is something he's trying to portray imo.

Do you town read him mostly because of one post?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
This game shows precedent for Billy acting this way as town. He's already discussed the fact that he was scumread for this before. What's different in his behavior here that makes you think it's an act?

And yeah, as I said before, I townread him because he didn't seem to be aware that scum don't have daytalk in this game. In order to think he's scum, you'd need to think he purposefully faked that. And that doesn't seem to be in line with his personality imo.

In post 152, Tchill13 wrote:Not in one rvs post I can't explain the scum motivation.

But I do see a pattern of "willful ignorance" and not trying to solve much.

The "I'm new or not sure what's going on" vibe is something he's trying to portray imo.

The continual portrayal of my admitted inexperience as purposeful, feigned, or willful is a bit annoying, but this does come off as town to me. Scum!me could be using my inexperience as a way to cover for not getting reads in the early game. My inexperience is what it is. I see why town players would think I have incentive to play it up. So I see this as him trying to pry into this.

Well I am trying to make a read. Billy's play is the one thing that stands out. I'm not gonna go through his past games BUT, if he has a history of this I'll let it go for now. Not gonna automatically hand out a TR though.

In post 155, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 152, Tchill13 wrote:Not in one rvs post I can't explain the scum motivation.

But I do see a pattern of "willful ignorance" and not trying to solve much.

The "I'm new or not sure what's going on" vibe is something he's trying to portray imo.

The continual portrayal of my admitted inexperience as purposeful, feigned, or willful is a bit annoying, but this does come off as town to me. Scum!me could be using my inexperience as a way to cover for not getting reads in the early game. My inexperience is what it is. I see why town players would think I have incentive to play it up. So I see this as him trying to pry into this.

This post is starting to ping me though. Now I'm thinkng if scum!Billy would've been able to fake that townslip.

It's page 7 and I havent really seen anything that stuck out at me either so I get why we're still talking about it, but from my perspective, inexperience is a fact. This isn't an alt account. I joined about a month ago. I put my inexperience out there knowing that some people think it's a shield. I do it because I see inexperienced players get scumread all the time for things that I think are better explained as inexperience. And I am not a fan of mis-lynches. I've done a bunch of them because more experienced players have persuaded me that it helps town. I haven't been good at getting reads based on mis-lynches, and the only time I've felt comfortable has been in post mass-claim situations in an open setup. So if the read is talking about inexperience = scummy then you're just going to get random results. If you think you can read those wagons then great, I guess it helps town. But inexperienced players are either 1) going to fake experience; or 2) going to acknowledge inexperience. In my experience it seems like both those get read as scummy. I do feel like I'm learning through seeing people's reasoning patterns, so hopefully over time the inexperience won't be so obvious.

As for the discussed slip, I don't know why so much weight was being placed on it. I don't see why I wouldn't be able to say I didn't know what they were talking about at the time even if I knew they weren't talking. I thought it was a weak town tell and don't know why folks would be reading it as a town tell.

Billy Pilgrim wrote:And I am not a fan of mis-lynches.

This made me laugh. Good to know.

Billy Pilgrim wrote:I've done a bunch of them because more experienced players have persuaded me that it helps town.

You do know that most of the time, Town players don't purposefully mislynch?

Billy Pilgrim wrote:As for the discussed slip, I don't know why so much weight was being placed on it.

I don't see why I wouldn't be able to say I didn't know what they were talking about at the time even if I knew they weren't talking.

I thought it was a weak town tell and don't know why folks would be reading it as a town tell.

Because "I don't know what they're talking about" implies "they're talking about something, I just don't know what." Scum!Billy would have to fake that he doesn't know scum don't have daytalk. Though at this point, I'm getting less and less opposed to that idea.

I’m not buying the billy thing. He’s got a D1 pass from me. Rn it feels like Tchill is trying to take attention away from himself & nit pick on a newbie

If tchill flips green then billy could be scum. I don’t think the two can ever be scum together. The level of distancing without daychat seems impossible for the two to achieve.

Unless billy really is a alt & they know each other. Or just somehow have extremely good chemistry. Which like i said doesn’t seem that likely

I’m still here for a Tchill kill

In post 27, Emperor flippyNips wrote:VOTE: Tchill

He knows why

Seriously, what's up with this?

Lol there is no why. I was just messing around

Well at that point.

In post 166, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Well at that point.

Go on

I just got done explaining my thoughts on why i think he's scum now.

It went from RVS—> I’m getting scum vibes—> hes actively ignoring me & my push on him to make sure the attention goes to someone easily mislynchable

Like i understand I could be wrong & i understand that it is D1 & page 7 but i got pretty strong feelings about this. & in the case that Tchill flips green then we can go billy tomorrow.

We should also run close to deadline so scum has more time to interact with each other. That could help for later if tchill isn’t actually scum. It could also help to find his partner if he is.

In post 171, Emperor flippyNips wrote:We should also run close to deadline so scum has more time to interact with each other. That could help for later if tchill isn’t actually scum. It could also help to find his partner if he is.

Strong disagree here. Making people wait until the last possible moment to end the day is just gonna create apathy and stall the game

God 9 days is so long tho. Well we still got people that haven’t even played so thats another reason to run it up to deadline

In post 172, Datisi wrote:

In post 171, Emperor flippyNips wrote:We should also run close to deadline so scum has more time to interact with each other. That could help for later if tchill isn’t actually scum. It could also help to find his partner if he is.

Strong disagree here. Making people wait until the last possible moment to end the day is just gonna create apathy and stall the game

So you don’t think its a good idea to extend the time scum has to interact in front of us (or not interact at all) to help give us more clues to who they are?