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[Farren]

I also have a problem with

Farren

casting suspicion on

Jamelia

, since again, I felt their posts were extremely sincere.

Do you have another example of a sincere post from Jamelia - that specifically shows a town mindset?

[Farren]

And just so my stance is clear, i still think voting Chemist is the best choice out of everyone so far.

Got anyone you think is Town yet? If so, why?

[Farren]

Not moving things - i feel like your questions exist to ask questions, not really to progress the game or to get answers

Suit yourself. I'm not going to change how I hunt any time soon.

[Mr Oobsy]

Very interesting response.

- Trying to form opinions of "scuminess" when one is scum is arguably more difficult than trying to form opinions of "scuminess" when one is town.

I agree. And I see one reason you haven't called me

Town

is probably because I'm making plenty of opinions about who is

Town

but none about who is

Mafia

. As I've already indicated, I don't intend to vote until tomorrow. And I won't accuse someone of being

Mafia

without voting them.

I agree with the opinion that Leucostictie is pretty neutral, but I wouldn't agree that he is auto-town or whatever.

- Not wanting to think Leucosticte is auto-town: scum would want to keep their options open; the more potential mislynches, the better.

That line particularly irked me. And the more I look at it, the more it does. So I will remove

Jamelia

from my

Town

list.

- Not wanting to blame people for voting on inactivity. Effectively defending people - could be defending a scumpartner, if the scumpartner's vote falls into this category.

One thought I had earlier, but never expressed, was this: Wouldn't it be comical if the reason (inactive)

Dyrenz

had voted

Jamelia

(for being inactive) was he was counting on someone calling out the irony as a cover for the fact they are both

Mafia

?

[Mr Oobsy]

Do you have another example of a sincere post from Jamelia - that specifically shows a town mindset?

Yes, this one:

I don’t necessarily think Chemist’s post was scummy, and with the bandwagon of people (way more than the majority) thinking so, I guess I’m more inclined to think he is town sided?

I keep re-reading it waiting to be like oh yeah, that was super scummy. But it wasn’t to me

Reason being, at the time it was posted, it was my thoughts exactly. I didn't think Chemist's vote was suspicious, I thought it was a joke. And when everyone complained about it, I also went back and reread it and found nothing suspicious about it.

I will put

Jamelia

back on my

Town

list. That previous theory about him and

Dyrenz

doesn't hold enough weight to me at the moment. Although it is still funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And just so my stance is clear, i still think voting Chemist is the best choice out of everyone so far.

Got anyone you think is Town yet? If so, why?

I'm not sure i really trust anyone here yet. I like to base my reads on the hard facts we receive from votes and flips rather than just guessing from what people say. Anything more than that is of secondary importance.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.05

red panda cubs actually start out grey. This one is only a week old

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Dyrenz

(1): Micc

Mr Oobsy

(1): Leucosticte

Leucosticte

(1): Chemist1422

Farren

(1): skitter30

Chemist1422

(1): NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE

(1): Farren

Not Voting

(3): Mr Oobsy, Dyrenz, Jamelia

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-04 23:00:00).

Mod notes:

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[Farren]

Yes, this one:

I don’t necessarily think Chemist’s post was scummy, and with the bandwagon of people (way more than the majority) thinking so, I guess I’m more inclined to think he is town sided?

I keep re-reading it waiting to be like oh yeah, that was super scummy. But it wasn’t to me

Reason being, at the time it was posted, it was my thoughts exactly. I didn't think Chemist's vote was suspicious, I thought it was a joke. And when everyone complained about it, I also went back and reread it and found nothing suspicious about it.

I will put

Jamelia

back on my

Town

list. That previous theory about him and

Dyrenz

doesn't hold enough weight to me at the moment. Although it is still funny.

"it was my thoughts exactly."

One of the lessons I have struggled the most to learn is that thinking someone else is Town just because they express a thought I myself have thought is not a good way of reading people.

Still, my experience is that basing one's reads on this sort of reasoning is indicative of a town mindset in general.

So: Mr Oobsy goes in the townbucket for now, although we still need to work on that "not willing to vote" business.

[Farren]

To hinder discussion and make a lynch happen without seeming guilty because two people already voted. That’s the feeling i got from the language he used in his comment.
Of course, one can never be sure what sort of motivation Chemist had in his mind when he wrote that comment, but i don’t see anyone i’d switch my vote to atm.

Hypothetical: Chemist is unlynchable. Pick whatever reason suits your fancy. What next?

[NorwegianboyEE]

To hinder discussion and make a lynch happen without seeming guilty because two people already voted. That’s the feeling i got from the language he used in his comment.
Of course, one can never be sure what sort of motivation Chemist had in his mind when he wrote that comment, but i don’t see anyone i’d switch my vote to atm.

Hypothetical: Chemist is unlynchable. Pick whatever reason suits your fancy. What next?

If nothing else suspicious comes up before the deadline closes in, i believe we should base the lynch on inactivity, anyone who isn't participating or is generally unhelpful might either be lurking mafia or a less useful townie member. Even if it's a mislynch, their confirmed role can be used in conjunction with text analysis to contextualize association tells.

[Jamelia]

I’m “keeping my options open” who I think is scummy/not scummy. I’m not going to just automatically assume someone is town-sided or mafia-sided based on 1 person posting a million paragraphs about it.

Regardless I do think if we were to lynch someone, I think Chemist is the only one who truly has acted scummy, not with their original post but with their lack of reasoning afterwards and inactivity even though they’re the most talked about one so far.

[Mr Oobsy]

If nothing else suspicious comes up before the deadline closes in, i believe we should base the lynch on inactivity, anyone who isn't participating or is generally unhelpful might either be lurking mafia or a less useful townie member. Even if it's a mislynch, their confirmed role can be used in conjunction with text analysis to contextualize association tells.

"Even if it's a mislynch,"

No.

There would be no bright side to a mislynch based on inactivity. The least active player is least likely to have association tells. If they are

Town

you learn nothing.

[Chemist1422]

I’m “keeping my options open” who I think is scummy/not scummy. I’m not going to just automatically assume someone is town-sided or mafia-sided based on 1 person posting a million paragraphs about it.

Regardless I do think if we were to lynch someone, I think Chemist is the only one who truly has acted scummy, not with their original post but with their lack of reasoning afterwards and inactivity even though they’re the most talked about one so far.

my lack of reasoning? it was literally RVS but people for some reason weren't accepting that as a reason

and I haven't been inactive, I'm in the top half of posters so

[Plotinus]

Leucosticte¹ has been prodded. The yhave (expired on 2019-08-28 16:54:25) to post before I start looking for a replacement.

[Leucosticte]

So: Mr Oobsy goes in the townbucket for now, although we still need to work on that "not willing to vote" business.

If you want people to change, sometimes you gotta provide an incentive, so my vote stays where it is for now.

[Leucosticte]

I’m “keeping my options open” who I think is scummy/not scummy. I’m not going to just automatically assume someone is town-sided or mafia-sided based on 1 person posting a million paragraphs about it.

Regardless I do think if we were to lynch someone, I think Chemist is the only one who truly has acted scummy, not with their original post but with their lack of reasoning afterwards and inactivity even though they’re the most talked about one so far.

my lack of reasoning? it was literally RVS but people for some reason weren't accepting that as a reason

and I haven't been inactive, I'm in the top half of posters so

I'd rather people give some reason, even if it's a made-up or bad reason. It might help get people's creative juices going by giving them something to argue for / against, or serve as a catalyst for their own ideas. If townies say "random vote" then it might encourage scum to say, "Here's my random vote too" when they vote for town.

It also might help from a meta standpoint because people might say, "Hmm, in x% of games I've played where people used username bias as justification for their first vote, they turned out to be [town/scum] and according to this graph, the trajectory is only upward in this trend, although I'm not going to say anything because then scum might adjust their strategy; I'll just note this as my secret reason for voting a certain way right now."

For some reason, I had the same impression too that you'd been kinda quiet, especially for someone with a few votes on him; maybe you're just not very obtrusive. But, what I consider scummier than the guy who's just quietly unobtrusive, is the guy who is mostly quiet except to break into the convo to say a few short words of bad advice like, "Quite frankly I think it's reckless to be lynching people at this point without more information; it's still only Day 4, so we have plenty of time; remember, a loose cannon is worse than no cannon at all"; THOSE are the guys I want to string up before anyone.

I just get this vibe though that Mr Oobsy is more reformable and trainable than other inactives in this game like Dyrenz and Jamelia, though, which is why I'm investing in his training by voting for him; I think it will pay off in the long run. I also think his username is cool; maybe that's really what this comes down to in the final analysis, tbqpf.

I like chemist's username too, even though I'm not aware of anything all that important that happened in 1422

[Chemist1422]

and this is why gtkas should not have a post requirement

On a serious note that post didn't really feel like it said anything that notable? I see a lot of words but not a ton of real solving

[Leucosticte]

and this is why gtkas should not have a post requirement

On a serious note that post didn't really feel like it said anything that notable? I see a lot of words but not a ton of real solving

What's your theory of the game right now, chemist; what do you think is going on?

[Micc]

I want to vote Jamelia, but feel like seeing this Dyrenz push through is important too

[Dyrenz]

My first post was literally just me explaining how my real life can interfere with my availability. Yes, I jumped on Chemist and then slowly backed off. Was testing the waters to see if anyone else would jump in but I suspect that scum were smart enough to see the bait. (Or they were already voting for him)

Literally the line after that is you talking about why you didn't do something because you thought it would look scummy...
But anyway, lets say that hypothetically Player A did jump on the chemist's wagon and put him to L-1, or Player A falls for the bait as you described it. Why do you think that is scum indicative?

I don't have enough evidence to arrive at a conclusion yet. We're on basically Day 1 or at least the first full day of play. I'm not going to blindly pick one of three possibilities without having enough evidence to make an informed conclusion.

Having said that, in terms of likelihood, I'm inclined to believe that C is most likely. It's still early in the day and I think we need to get more discussion in before we can get good enough reads.

I understand you want more information and thus more discussion, but consider this:

How has you presenting three possible explanations for what you observed and expanding no further added discussion to the game? Isn't that the equivalent of me telling you that the solution to 2 + 2 is either less than 0, equal to 0, or greater than 0. Sure, what I said is true, but it didn't really help answer the problem.

Is it possible that you contributing your opinion about something adds discussion to the game, even if your opinion turns out to be wrong?

You raise fair points, and in my defense all I have to offer is my own inexperience and relatively cautious approach to hunting. I feel like my playstyle just rubs you the wrong way and that is why the push. At this point I feel confident Chemist and Skitter are in the clear and I'm a little irked by how insistent Jamelia is being on the Chemist vote. We're trying to look at all possibilities and he is glued firmly on Chemist.

[Leucosticte]

and this is why gtkas should not have a post requirement

On a serious note that post didn't really feel like it said anything that notable? I see a lot of words but not a ton of real solving

Do you have something against streams of consciousness and essays lacking in a clear thesis? If so, we're gonna have a problem

[Dyrenz]

In addition to that, I think Leucosticte is just posting fluff and should provide their reads so far.

Here are mine thus far:

Town - Mr. Oobsy, Norwegian
Null - Micc, Skitter, Farren, Chemist
Scummy - Jamelia, Leucosticte

[Mr Oobsy]

VOTE: Leucosticte

[Micc]

yall, I think Dryenz is scum. More people should vote him.

[Dyrenz]

Why?