Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[bepwei]

Nothing or random lynch. I play tos and TOL and stuff like mafia that has no prevalent d1

This gets us about as little information as possible on D1 despite there already being a lack of it like you noticed. A NoElim gets us no info on a role and no information of voters that killed off a possible townie or mafia. It's also a great place for a scum to hide as there are not repercussions to that vote if the town agrees to it. A random lynch does the same thing just gives us info on one role. Again, this creates a place for someone to vote without being on the line for who dies. Because of the lack of knowledge on D1 it is extremely important to pick someone suspicious to vote for to give town more information. Your ideas don't solve your problem of not having enough information to make decisions on D1.

[Billy Pilgrim]

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty good with Billy being town atm with Micc and BBMolla

Why?

[LCpl Jones]

I very much get the feeling that the scum team is backing off on me.
FOS Billy and FOS Micc.

I'm not quite so happy with my vote on Micc right now.
UNVOTE:

umm... aren't these two statements contradictory?

Not really; I FoS Micc but don't think I have enough evidence to push a wagon right now, so I might as well make my vote be useful.

[LCpl Jones]

Salsas is not the lack of content wagon to be joining. There’s already two of us on Gyro. Why not join the fun?

I'd be more comfortable not right now with that as it somewhat wastes a vote on a VI slot and I'd like to put some pressure somewhere where it might be more useful. Albeit it's definitely an option later and I definitely would be happy to lynch him by default over no lynch.

If this improvement in play continues it could very well change my opinion on that
\_(^-^)_/

[LCpl Jones]

'd say the argument for voting Zrpp today is not to waste a vote later. I don't think anyone wants to vote him over a scum read but even if he's town it will have a positive benefit in a lylo situation as


I very much get the feeling that the scum team is backing off on me.
FOS Billy and FOS Micc.

I'm not quite so happy with my vote on Micc right now.
UNVOTE:

Now there's options.

Can you explain this please? I'm the only one that had voted you. You were town reading me while I was voting you and scumleaning you. Then I interact with you more and get some questions answered in a logical way. I only have one outstanding confusion around you and it's from why you voted BBM. How does that progression get you to a FoS?

Ehhh
First push on me definitely weak
Push on arkias
Not wanting to policy lynch by default when someone at that point clearly would be harmful to town

[Billy Pilgrim]

Well Jones, these sudden turns are undoing the work that your earlier posts had done for you. Not a fan of you FoSing people that have votes on them and complaining that you can't drive a wagon and instead parking your vote on someone that no one has interest in pushing.

In fact I think that's probably more AI than what made me lean you scum before. If you're suspecting me, why arent you voting me? There were 2 votes on me already at the time you moved your vote.

Also waiting on those questions to 144.

VOTE: Jones


Pedit: definitely more comfortable with this after Jones' last post. If my push on Jones was weak, why was he town reading me for it at the time I was making it. In fact, iirc he called my reasoning logical and clear. It feels like he was waiting for an opportunity to scumread me where he couldn't be accused of it just being OMGUS. So he waited until my read of him changed then laid down a FoS on me. If my push on Arkias is weak, (which admittedly, it probably is - not really enough active players and i think Micc and Karnage are probably town - and i was coming around on you) who is the clearly better candidate that I'm not pushing?

[skitter30]

Vote Count 1.4

gyro zeppeli (2) ~

micc, bbmolla

billy pilgrim(1) ~

arkias

bepwei(1) ~

gyro zeppeli

lcpl jones(1) ~

billy pilgrim

salsae (1) ~

lcpl jones

Not voting (3) ~

Salsae, bepwei, karnage

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-15 09:00:00)

mod notes:

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[skitter30]

salsae has been prodded, this is their second prod

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jones

[Micc]

yeah I like this.

VOTE: Jones

[Billy Pilgrim]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jones

What's your read on me at the moment? How did you get there from your earlier post where you at least had me in a 4 person PoE? And how do you feel joining a wagon that I started?

[skitter30]

salsae has requested replacement

[Arkias]

For Micc at 139

If I can't get it through to you the first three times, I won't get it to you the fourth time. You're correct that about how half are vanilla and whatever, but to counter your point -- and make 142 clear; my read isn't FROM forum games. YOu both are completely right in the context of forum games. When I did my read, I explicitly made it clear that I was taking it from Town of Salem and Throne of Lies --- and look at this post!

Post 148. He expicilitly states it's from Throne of Lies and Town of Salem -- which is what I was getting at. It's not that 'vanilla or scum can do X', it's that I'm reading him as someone from ToS/ToL that got a really boring role that just makes him want to afk -- compared to the assassin/vanilla mafia who are generally more invested since their plays are based on their own acts or going against the crowd.

That being said, the second part of your statement is true. But I brought this up and 149 saw it. I firmly believe he's a townie, but the question is about a policy lynch. I don't like policy lynches on principle, since I'm not sure if that's the best use of a vote. We get more information from a different lead, but how do we know that they won't play erratically in the future? It's a weak pick nonetheless, since when you go back in time and look at these votes, voting on a policy lynch doesn't reveal much.

--

To be explicit at 142 I think you're reading him like a forum mafia player and not a mafia from a different source who's coming here to play. But, I've tried to make it clear on that, that was my only interpertation.


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Why are we voting Jones?

Man, that sheep vote doesn't sit right with me at all.

VOTE: BBmolla

[BBmolla]

you're not paying attention if you think it's a sheep vote.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jones

What's your read on me at the moment? How did you get there from your earlier post where you at least had me in a 4 person PoE? And how do you feel joining a wagon that I started?

you're way less scummy than Jones

don't think much about it tbh

ya'll are missing the point which is that Jones is posting some fake ass scummy shit.

[LCpl Jones]

Fuck y'all I had enough of this
I hate playing town

[LCpl Jones]

My apologies for my words earlier. At this point I think I had better replace out after that or you can just lynch me (but I am not scum - my town play is horrible as always while as scum I generally play pretty well).

[skitter30]

heavy anaconda replaces salsae

[Heavy Anaconda]

Hello all.
I am thinking Arkias and/or Micc are mafia over this rhetorical argument about how there gonna lynch a lurker.
Kinda reminds me of my home meta.

[Heavy Anaconda]

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I don't see any reason why you can't have multiple RVS votes. I think you could safely say that I've moved the game out of RVS. What scum motivation do you see in that? Why would I call out a tactic that you claim that I am using myself thus drawing attention to it?

I don't think you deserve credit for moving the game from RVS by laying down extra RVS votes when Karnage and I are over here trying to ask game advancing questions. I do think there is scum motivation for you to misrepresent who is doing the real work here.

Micc is either mafia or just plain manipulative. Knowing Karnage is "pocketing"Jones, he goes to pocket Karnage.
This is an FoS on Micc

[BBmolla]

My apologies for my words earlier. At this point I think I had better replace out after that or you can just lynch me (but I am not scum - my town play is horrible as always while as scum I generally play pretty well).

Hey don’t go let’s talk

UNVOTE:

If you had to name the scum team right now what would your guess be?

[BBmolla]

Welcome snek

[Arkias]

Nothing really happened tonight to comment on. Keeping my vote on BB. so is LCpl replaced?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Jones's AtE didnt feel natural. I've townread AtE's before, and I've done it in Newbie games from newbies. But this one felt different. I may be wrong, but right now I think my votes in the right place.

[skitter30]

prodding karnage, bepwei, and gyro zeppeli.

this is gyro zeppeli's second prod