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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:46 am
by profii
I dont like RVS either. On page 1 the statement was worth querying and he said he wouldnt self hammer. That was also page 1, so still the best thing to push at the time. If he had said he would self hammer, I would have been like "hes just making a point, he accepts that even in his death town, including him can still win, thats cool"

But by saying he wouldnt do it, it makes me think "scum can't really make that sacrafice, obviously they are the minority and suiciding yourself on day 1 would be nuts" this guy is scared to die and those reasons make sense so lets have a look at him...


Other stuff has popped up, obviously, but at the time that was the most scummy thing to push... otherwise you get 11 people placing 11 random votes and we all sit in a circle and say 'well that was nice' - someone has to start a push. I just know how to do it.



I feel like you are trying to undermine the whole thing by saying 'loses credibility' and expressing a frustration but if you dont go whole hog at your scum reads how do you get people to trip over themselves and give the game away for us to catch them?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:50 am
by Wimpy
In post 150, profii wrote:That was also page 1, so still the best thing to push at the time. If he had said he would self hammer, I would have been like "hes just making a point, he accepts that even in his death town, including him can still win, thats cool"

But by saying he wouldnt do it, it makes me think "scum can't really make that sacrafice, obviously they are the minority and suiciding yourself on day 1 would be nuts" this guy is scared to die and those reasons make sense so lets have a look at him...
I don't really think him saying he won't self hammer is Ai either though. Town shouldn't ever self hammer

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:51 am
by Wimpy
In post 150, profii wrote:but if you dont go whole hog at your scum reads how do you get people to trip over themselves and give the game away for us to catch them?
so wait. You are saying you seriously scum read wake for that statement? like seriously?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:55 am
by Zote the Mighty
I think profii's point is that Wake was displaying a survivalistic nature right off the bat by saying that he wouldn't self-hammer but would be willing to quickhammer others which gave him scum pings.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:55 am
by profii
Zote gets it

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:56 am
by Zote the Mighty
In post 151, Wimpy wrote:
In post 150, profii wrote:That was also page 1, so still the best thing to push at the time. If he had said he would self hammer, I would have been like "hes just making a point, he accepts that even in his death town, including him can still win, thats cool"

But by saying he wouldnt do it, it makes me think "scum can't really make that sacrafice, obviously they are the minority and suiciding yourself on day 1 would be nuts" this guy is scared to die and those reasons make sense so lets have a look at him...
I don't really think him saying he won't self hammer is Ai either though. Town shouldn't ever self hammer
Yes town should never self-hammer, but scum might want to depending on the situation. So why does Wake feel the need to assure us that this is something he would never do?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:56 am
by Zote the Mighty
In post 154, profii wrote:Zote gets it
Of course I do. I am the Great Intelligent Zote the Mighty after all.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:58 am
by Wake1
Again, self hammering is literally against the rules.

Again, Day 1 sucks because I have nothing to actually work with, so, yeah, I'm willing to hammer at L-1 Day 1.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:02 am
by Wimpy
In post 152, Wimpy wrote:
In post 150, profii wrote:but if you dont go whole hog at your scum reads how do you get people to trip over themselves and give the game away for us to catch them?
so wait. You are saying you seriously scum read wake for that statement? like seriously?
please answer profili

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:03 am
by Wimpy
Wake do you have an alt named havo?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:05 am
by Wake1
Note, Scum self-hammering also breaks rule #10.

PEDIT: No.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:05 am
by Wimpy
In post 132, profii wrote:
In post 130, alimdia wrote:
In post 49, profii wrote:
In post 25, Saudade wrote: Wanna guess what other person I know said the exact same line he did and turned out to be scum?
This is also why I am voting - I caught someone saying the exact same line. :lol:
Umm how many times has someone said the exact same line but turned out to be town vs scum?

@Saudade, answer this q as well please.
question does not make sense - we are looking at a solitary person making a statement on their own and I've encountered it to be a scum thing before... there isn't anyone else for it to be Vs
you have also encountered it to be town twice before.

so how do you determine scum or town saying it?

p.edit - ok great. that makes things more interesting. Thank you wake

VOTE: profli

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:06 am
by Vorkuta
In post 128, alimdia wrote:What the fuck is papa-mason?
In post 11, Saudade wrote:I am mason tho
In post 12, Saudade wrote:Hardclaiming big dik mason this game
Questions like these really make you lose credibility in my eyes
In post 140, Zote the Mighty wrote:PEDIT: No
If you don't quote all 57 of your edicts by the end of the game, I will policy you

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:09 am
by Vorkuta
Ayt that's enough
VOTE: Wake

ISO him- literally only 2 things in there
1- "I will quickhammer"
2- "muh rule 10 and wincon"

Even though he could've (and has had ample time to) recover from his D1 faux pas, he doubled down by invoking his favorite rule #10 of all time.
His contributions have been of the highest quality.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:11 am
by Wimpy
In post 162, Vorkuta wrote:Questions like these really make you lose credibility in my eyes
blindly believing a mason claim and self voting makes you lose credibility but that hasn't stopped you

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 am
by Wimpy
In post 163, Vorkuta wrote:His contributions have been of the highest quality.
kind of hypocritical don't you think? You haven't provided any useful content.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:14 am
by Wimpy
For those playing at home, Here are the two games where town player says the same thing as wake,

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9922853
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9854602

I really need to hear a GOOD explanation from profli as to why he is so quick to scum read wake for it when he has seen town do it twice and thus making it null as alidade and myself have pointed out.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:14 am
by Wimpy
^iso havo btw

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:17 am
by Saudade
In post 129, alimdia wrote:I - voted the wrong person

VOTE: Vorkuta
for the time being i disapprove of this vote heavily because vorkuta just so happens to be my good #1 townread

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:18 am
by Saudade
In post 130, alimdia wrote:
In post 49, profii wrote:
In post 25, Saudade wrote: Wanna guess what other person I know said the exact same line he did and turned out to be scum?
This is also why I am voting - I caught someone saying the exact same line. :lol:
Umm how many times has someone said the exact same line but turned out to be town vs scum?

@Saudade, answer this q as well please.
in my experience only I have said it and I rolled scum that game.
so one to zero

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:18 am
by Vorkuta
In post 164, Wimpy wrote:
In post 162, Vorkuta wrote:Questions like these really make you lose credibility in my eyes
blindly believing a mason claim and self voting makes you lose credibility but that hasn't stopped you
oh boy
oh boy oh boy
You really don't get stuff do you

Anyway- this isn't the first time papa mason has mason claimed in his opening posts.
His claim is not why I townread him
In post 165, Wimpy wrote:kind of hypocritical don't you think? You haven't provided any useful content.
:facepalm:
1-
/s
is so heavily implied it's not even funny
2- are you sure that insults are off the table between us?
3- all the past pages of discussion is sure as hell useful and my self vote catalyzed it
4- are you going to continue to be like this all game?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:20 am
by Wimpy
In post 169, Saudade wrote:in my experience only I have said it and I rolled scum that game.
so one to zero
But town does it also.

That makes the action null.

What else besides that do you have to scum read wake? You should have something better.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:21 am
by Saudade
In post 171, Wimpy wrote:
In post 169, Saudade wrote:in my experience only I have said it and I rolled scum that game.
so one to zero
But town does it also.


That makes the action null.

What else besides that do you have to scum read wake? You should have something better.
That's not my experience, no.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:22 am
by Elements
In post 166, Wimpy wrote:For those playing at home, Here are the two games where town player says the same thing as wake,

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9922853
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9854602

I really need to hear a GOOD explanation from profli as to why he is so quick to scum read wake for it when he has seen town do it twice and thus making it null as alidade and myself have pointed out.
this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it.

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:22 am
by Wimpy
In post 170, Vorkuta wrote:His claim is not why I townread him
Why do you town read him?