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[Atarashi Hajimari]

So I got fuck-all sleep last night but yolo lets do this. Catching up.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Going back, actually, this post bugs me.

Also drew, what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and votato?

You're tunnelling each other at the moment. He's attacking, you're defending, IMHO.

That's an interesting perspective given that we were both attacking each other. Speaking of confbias...

Your 'townread everyone' is presumptive and he's pressuring that, which I think is reasonable.

Except I scumread (4 -> quasar, blurry, fwesnid, votato) more people than I townread (3 -> eyestott, goofball, dolly)? What do you mean by this statement?

Your OMGUS vote is obvious.

Definitionally you're incorrect, but I think it's a little disingenuous to reduce the reasons I gave for pressuring him down to just OMGUS.

His retort is maybe childish but makes sense given he appears to believe you're reading scum. I'd say you're digging a hole for yourself with a number of your responses in posts.

Care to elaborate as to how I'm 'digging a hole' for myself?

I'm curious to see if you can articulate why you've town read people so early in a game.

I'll put them all here since I know votato asked me to explain all of them, even though you're only asking for my townreads:

eyestott - based almost entirely off of 46 and 53. Desire to get out of RVS and onto the game proper is usually townie IMO and while his execution of getting people out of RVS left a lot to be desired, the intention seemed genuine and I townread that.

goofball - based off 58, 59, 60 and 61. Reads as town trying to be semi-productive while still in RVS. 60 is big to me for this read - getting other people to elaborate on stuff creates more content and is

usually

townie.

dolly - already elaborated on her but it's here for you to look over again.

quasar - he's in the scumpile because of 68. Literally a nonsensical readslist that he seems to actually be pulling legitimate reads from but hasn't really made much of anything in the way of an attempt to translate it so that other people can understand it. 70 has an attempt to explain it but leaves me more confused than I was before.

blurry - based on 39 and 44. Says his scum senses are tingling, but doesn't vote until asked why he didn't do so (+townie points to eyestott for calling him out on it). Inb4 someone says that it's RVS - I'm aware but that doesn't change my thought process.

fwes - based on 49. Getting out of RVS is a good thing and this post does about everything it can to laugh in the face of the (admittedly) feeble and lame attempt to get out of RVS.

votato - if you don't know why I'm scumreading votato then you haven't been reading the dayphase.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Am I the only one who wants to lynch one of blurry/gibus and if it comes up read, lynch the other? This kinda just feels like two scumboats distancing.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Also drew, what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and votato?

You're tunnelling each other at the moment. He's attacking, you're defending, IMHO. Your 'townread everyone' is presumptive and he's pressuring that, which I think is reasonable.

Your OMGUS vote is obvious. His retort is maybe childish but makes sense given he appears to believe you're reading scum. I'd say you're digging a hole for yourself with a number of your responses in posts.

I'm curious to see if you can articulate why you've town read people so early in a game.

Can you expand on how atarashi's vote was omgus, because for it being obvious I didn't see it?
I've found Atarashi's townreads quite reasonable. The dolly one is good and I would Imagine he has as good reasoning for the others, because there's been enough content from several people to give them a light townread.

Your attempt to pocket me is noted. Be aware that if you actually want to pocket me, flattery is a much better way of doing so than just agreeing with me.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

I get serious noob vibes from votato.

Eh, the more I'm re-reading the more I think this is probably true and, if true, is more likely to be noob-town rather than noob-scum given the tunneling so I'll UNVOTE: and find a better place for my vote. Probably somewhere in the blurry/gibus debacle but I'm not sure yet.

[Fwesnid]

Gibus is much worse than blurry.
Especially since I'm not seeing much of a case for blurry beyond "hmm we need a wagon."?
VOTE: gibus

Your attempt to pocket me is noted. Be aware that if you actually want to pocket me, flattery is a much better way of doing so than just agreeing with me.

This boat is pretty cool actually but thanks for the offer.

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

Someone let me in on the secret of why everyone believes Pete is town.

[gibus]

Allow me to recap this

debacle

from my perspective.

Don't associate me with him, smh.

I only voted on him because he switched his vote off of Dolly to vote on me.

As for why I initially voted on QuantumQuasar, it was because he accused me first so early in the game at a point where i haven't spoken much; regardless, my vote on him was half-hearted, which was why i only pointed a finger at him in a message and didnt do the vote in a later message until people asked me why I didn't. I do not think he is scum, nor do I want to actually vote on someone who could be innocent.

Moreover, gibus too was randomly taking potshots at Dolly in the beginning. Atleast Quantum had a shred of reasoning for voting on me, while gibus didn't for Dolly. And re-emphasizing my vote, VOTE: gibus.

You should remember that my vote for dolly was a random vote in RVS.
You claim that you only pointed a finger and didn't vote, but this doesn't look right. You made your vote almost instantaneously.

Quantum had a shred of reasoning for voting on me, while gibus didn't for Dolly.

You seem to be confused with the idea of RVS. And what overwhelming reason did you find to go super aggressive on me?

The only mildly scummy posts that gibus accuses me of making was calling out Quantum without actually highlighting my vote, which I just explained why I did that.

That, and the fact that your 3rd post in D1 was as all out aggression against me. Why? Because I was taking

potshots

at dolly. Nothing else.
Whatever you did to look scummy, is left to those who voted and cast suspicion on you. There was a small wagon heading towards you and that is why I thought putting you under pressure from my side would bring out something.

And now when threatened, he says senseless things like "moving the game", and says nothing of substance.

Like I said earlier in one of my posts, if you have any other groundbreaking ideas for getting cues from people, you are very much welcome to tell us. But I think I did something which brought out a cue or two.

It wasn't retaliation for voting on me. I voted on you and not on Pete because I actually believe you are scum.

Because.... RVS.

I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.

gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.

The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.

I didn't ignore anything, maybe you didn't post something which was on your mind.

emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.

You should know that townies have survival instincts as well, so telling people to not lynch you doesn't necessarily make you scum.

^ The second message that he's simply brushed off without justifying his actions. Obvious scum.

Obvious scum

.
As much as I think you're scum for going to such extreme lengths in the early stages of D1, all this would be very unwise if you are scum. I think you are a rather aggressive townie.

I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.

gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.

The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.

I re-emphasize. VOTE: Blurryface3189

To summarize ^.

All he does is brush off evidence against him, again and again.

I don't understand this post at all, would you care to elaborate on the

evidence

?


Anyway, you are either a really bad scum player or a tryhard townie, there is no sense in voting for you ATM.
But I've got my eyes on everyone who did

pick sides

, since picking sides this early doesn't achieve anything, and there is really no scumtell in the whole thread (read the recap). A scum player would do just that to put the townies on the wrong track.

[gibus]

Gibus is much worse than blurry.
Especially since I'm not seeing much of a case for blurry beyond "hmm we need a wagon."?
VOTE: gibus

Blurry already had a bunch of eyes on him. A wagon, I thought, would give us information to start with to decide who is scum and who is not, without relying on

tingling senses

.
Can you tell me why you think I'm "worse" than blurry?

UNVOTE: Blurryface
VOTE: Fwesnid for reasons I've given in post 157

[gibus]

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.

[votato]

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.

but why wagon for the sake of wagoning? what do you learn? If it isn't real pressure then you don't learn how those people respond to pressure.

[gibus]

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.

but why wagon for the sake of wagoning? what do you learn? If it isn't real pressure then you don't learn how those people respond to pressure.

I get that wagoning for the sake of wagoning doesn't put real pressure. But seeing that he only had 2 other posts at that time, I was curious to see how he would respond.
I feel like it is best to get the most out of people in D1, and we can't be wasting time doing nothing.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

@votato: you wanted all my reads. I posted them. What are your thoughts?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

Am I the only one who wants to lynch one of blurry/gibus and if it comes up read, lynch the other? This kinda just feels like two scumboats distancing.

Also, I retract this bit.

[Dolly Parton]

Am I the only one who wants to lynch one of blurry/gibus and if it comes up read, lynch the other? This kinda just feels like two scumboats distancing.

I share this opinion

[Dolly Parton]

Am I the only one who wants to lynch one of blurry/gibus and if it comes up read, lynch the other? This kinda just feels like two scumboats distancing.

Also, I retract this bit.

What changed? The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?

[Atarashi Hajimari]

The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?

Gut ping off of 157. Forgive my newbieness for showing but why would this imply distancing?

[Drew-Sta]

Spoiler: A lot of words

Also drew, what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and votato?

You're tunnelling each other at the moment. He's attacking, you're defending, IMHO. Your 'townread everyone' is presumptive and he's pressuring that, which I think is reasonable.

Your OMGUS vote is obvious. His retort is maybe childish but makes sense given he appears to believe you're reading scum. I'd say you're digging a hole for yourself with a number of your responses in posts.

I'm curious to see if you can articulate why you've town read people so early in a game.

Can you expand on how atarashi's vote was omgus, because for it being obvious I didn't see it?
I've found Atarashi's townreads quite reasonable. The dolly one is good and I would Imagine he has as good reasoning for the others, because there's been enough content from several people to give them a light townread.

80 and 81. Votato places some pressure on them, then Ata refutes, and then pushed back with a vote.

You're buddying him, BTW. I also like how he breaks posts down, as it fits with how I process things, but this early I find it interesting that you're sheeping his town reads.

has blurry made some mildly scummy posts? what were they?

^ The second message that he's simply brushed off without justifying his actions. Obvious scum.

fair enough, I'll join team blurry against the evil baddies of team gibus. UNVOTE: atarashi, since apparently that wasnt gonna go anywhere for now. VOTE: gibus

This interaction is bizarre. Votato's mainly. The flip flop 'this wasn't going anywhere' then you say this:

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.

Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.

but why wagon for the sake of wagoning? what do you learn? If it isn't real pressure then you don't learn how those people respond to pressure.

It's a complete contradiction of your line of reasoning. I think you're playing the noob card to throw people off your case. That, to me, is a scum tell.

VOTE: votato

Spoiler:

Going back, actually, this post bugs me.

Also drew, what are your thoughts on the interactions between me and votato?

You're tunnelling each other at the moment. He's attacking, you're defending, IMHO.

That's an interesting perspective given that we were both attacking each other. Speaking of confbias...

Your 'townread everyone' is presumptive and he's pressuring that, which I think is reasonable.

1. Except I scumread (4 -> quasar, blurry, fwesnid, votato) more people than I townread (3 -> eyestott, goofball, dolly)? What do you mean by this statement?

Your OMGUS vote is obvious.

2. Definitionally you're incorrect, but I think it's a little disingenuous to reduce the reasons I gave for pressuring him down to just OMGUS.

His retort is maybe childish but makes sense given he appears to believe you're reading scum. I'd say you're digging a hole for yourself with a number of your responses in posts.

3. Care to elaborate as to how I'm 'digging a hole' for myself?

I'm curious to see if you can articulate why you've town read people so early in a game.

4. I'll put them all here since I know votato asked me to explain all of them, even though you're only asking for my townreads:

eyestott - based almost entirely off of 46 and 53. Desire to get out of RVS and onto the game proper is usually townie IMO and while his execution of getting people out of RVS left a lot to be desired, the intention seemed genuine and I townread that.

goofball - based off 58, 59, 60 and 61. Reads as town trying to be semi-productive while still in RVS. 60 is big to me for this read - getting other people to elaborate on stuff creates more content and is

usually

townie.

dolly - already elaborated on her but it's here for you to look over again.

quasar - he's in the scumpile because of 68. Literally a nonsensical readslist that he seems to actually be pulling legitimate reads from but hasn't really made much of anything in the way of an attempt to translate it so that other people can understand it. 70 has an attempt to explain it but leaves me more confused than I was before.

blurry - based on 39 and 44. Says his scum senses are tingling, but doesn't vote until asked why he didn't do so (+townie points to eyestott for calling him out on it). Inb4 someone says that it's RVS - I'm aware but that doesn't change my thought process.

fwes - based on 49. Getting out of RVS is a good thing and this post does about everything it can to laugh in the face of the (admittedly) feeble and lame attempt to get out of RVS.

votato - if you don't know why I'm scumreading votato then you haven't been reading the dayphase.

I've numbered the above and placed it in spoiler, just so the wall isn't so big.

1. Sorry, you're correct. 74 shows a scum read and I missed it. I retract my statement.
2. Disagree based on 80 / 81 but I don't want to get into an argument on semantics. I don't see much in it, but felt it worthwhile pointing it out.
3. Tunnelling.
4. Thank you.

[Drew-Sta]

I've fucked up the formatting above. Apologies. I also spoiler'd to help with the wall size, and just realised I'd VOTE: votato and it was hidden, so just making that clear in my post.

[gibus]

What changed? The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?

Just to clarify, my vote wasn't omgus. I explained why I switched in 157.

[Atarashi Hajimari]

What changed? The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?

Just to clarify, my vote wasn't omgus. I explained why I switched in 157.

That's not even close to what Dolly was suggesting

[gibus]

Sorry, I should have quoted my own post. I understand dolly's question.

[Dolly Parton]

The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?

Gut ping off of 157. Forgive my newbieness for showing but why would this imply distancing?

One could argue that anything could be seen as distancing with WIFOM.

What do you think about 158 compared to 157

[Dolly Parton]

Just to clarify, my vote wasn't omgus. I explained why I switched in 157.

It's not the OMGUS or reasoning behind your vote. Your timing is pinging me as weird.

[gibus]

Let me just..