considering clidd wasn’t in any danger, i believe him
and as scum, I think you’d always be hyperaware of how others are going to perceive you, and this kind of thing I’d think you’d think makes people like you less
~kanna
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:34 am
by clidd
Miss Kanna, could I
persuade
you that there is scum between KMD and Bingle ?
Do you think there is any truth in people who see me as town to be an indicator that they know my alignment (scum) and would like to take a stand if I were eliminated ? Wouldn't it be normal to think that I am scum for my progression seeing this from a town mentality ?
Or would it make more sense for scum, in this scenario, to take advantage of the waves of suspicion about me and formalize a scumread ?
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:37 am
by clidd
Actually, KMD is less scummy now. So we're talking about Bingle.
In post 81, AGar wrote:Porkens is concerning me because of wagonomics but content is middling. I put more stock in wagonomics so Porkens gets binned as slightly scummy for now.
what do you mean here?
~kanna
Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it. It's pretty straight forward.
I played as scum vs town!him and my tone was basically the same I'm using here (which is why Porkens is scumreading me, because he also played as town in the same game) but KMD is kind of ignoring me.
Town!Kmd would look at my posts and vote instantly on me.
This is bad but Kmd's response is also bad. Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin. Anyone trying to argue its indicative of alignment one way or another can catch these hands.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:59 am
by Porkens
In post 153, AGar wrote:Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin.
I disagree. His outburst is based on how much he
does care
about the game. He's not saying "fuck it, yeet me a lose, this town is fucked," he's saying "Can we just yeet me now because I don't want to get yeeted in yeetlo?"
Agar
, can you show me any lines from clidd that show he DGAF?
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In post 152, clidd wrote:Actually, KMD is less scummy now. So we're talking about Bingle.
: Eww this is bad. What happened to your Agar read?
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In post 144, The Bulge wrote:you've all done something I hate already this game except reck and porkens
I've decided I am going to ignore clidd for the time being
What have you hated about Agar?
Why are you ignoring clidd?
Why are you voting for Bingle?
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:08 am
by AGar
Porkens, the "I" is the operative letter. *I* do not give a fuck about clidd's outburst.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:14 am
by Porkens
So it's not alignment indicative because YOU don't give a fuck about it?
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:15 am
by clidd
I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.
But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:17 am
by Porkens
In post 157, clidd wrote:I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.
But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).
I want' to see where the Bingle stuff goes but...
I'm putting a pin in this post for later.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:21 am
by The Bulge
Porkens wrote:What have you hated about Agar?
I think reck mentioned, the timing of his rage in 51 felt off within the context of the game. and his readslist doesn't say a whole lot about his reads on anyone. That being said I don't think it's very likely agar is scum
Why are you ignoring clidd?
I don't feel like giving myself a headache trying to read if it's all a scum act or a weird town gambit thing or some kind of trust tell and I'd much rather let it resolve somewhat before personally diving in. I will say though I felt violated the way he jumped on my naked bingle vote
Why are you voting for Bingle?
Bingle cannot generate content without some kind of mechanical or non-game-related crutch. their only game post was a fresh out of the ass critique of your freudposting that made no sense. Like they saw the post and said "I bet I can find something actionable here"
In post 157, clidd wrote:I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.
But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).
I want' to see where the Bingle stuff goes but...
I'm putting a pin in this post for later.
I can change my mind at any moment, by the way.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:29 am
by clidd
It would be good if we eliminate me before lylo, otherwise it'll be a chaos.
But today let's try to hit scum.
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:32 am
by clidd
Bingle is E-2, is he going to say something ?
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:51 am
by Sou and Kanna
In post 153, AGar wrote:Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it. It's pretty straight forward.
i found this interesting because it's a possible mindset slip. you've said you scumread us, but if your wagon analysis is what i think it is, then you also think we're town...............
Do you think there is any truth in people who see me as town to be an indicator that they know my alignment (scum) and would like to take a stand if I were eliminated ? Wouldn't it be normal to think that I am scum for my progression seeing this from a town mentality ?
Or would it make more sense for scum, in this scenario, to take advantage of the waves of suspicion about me and formalize a scumread ?
i don't like bingle either, but it's not a strong dislike. refresh me why you think it's bingle?
i think it depends on the player. but i've thought about it, and if you're town, i think scum's natural response is to whiteknight you here actually. it's not so much strategising, but like i said, a natural response
In post 153, AGar wrote:Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin.
I disagree. His outburst is based on how much he
does care
about the game. He's not saying "fuck it, yeet me a lose, this town is fucked," he's saying "Can we just yeet me now because I don't want to get yeeted in yeetlo?"
Agar
, can you show me any lines from clidd that show he DGAF?
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In post 152, clidd wrote:Actually, KMD is less scummy now. So we're talking about Bingle.
: Eww this is bad. What happened to your Agar read?
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In post 144, The Bulge wrote:you've all done something I hate already this game except reck and porkens
I've decided I am going to ignore clidd for the time being
What have you hated about Agar?
Why are you ignoring clidd?
Why are you voting for Bingle?
many questions
what do you think is the difference between IDGAF and DGAF? what does any of this mean?
why are the votes bad? wasn't bingle one of your top scumreads?
why agar?
~kanna
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:13 pm
by Sou and Kanna
i highkey think clidd's thought processes have been really weird this game, and that's probably townie because you'd want to be more digestible as scum
~kanna
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:25 pm
by Michael Scott
In post 140, clidd wrote:I don't think you're an empathetic person, Reck.
So your interpretive error is understandable. I imagine that Agar comes to the same conclusion as you.
But I confess that I would be able to do drama as scum, but not to the point of suggesting self-elimination.
So I'm supposed to believe that as scum you might use AtE/drama to try and get townread, but at the same time it would be outside of your scum range for you to mention self-elimination? If you are scum what you did was relatively low-risk, because you mentioned self-elimination early during this day phase, and we are still probably far away from actually eliminating someone. Is it at all likely that the town collectively would "call your bluff" and take you up on your offer and eliminate you today based on that alone? No, and you know that. So there's a very low chance that it backfires on scum!you, and the upside is that you possibly pickup some townreads as a result of doing it.
It's also easy for scum!you to back out of it on a later day, especially if we mis-eliminate today. You just argue that we can't afford another mis-elimination at that point.
If you had suggested self-elimination at a point in the game where we were closer to the deadline and you were actually at risk of being eliminated, that might be one thing. But that isn't the case here, and I see no reason why you should be townread over doing it.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:45 pm
by clidd
Actually, no. If we didn't hit scum today, I'm willing to be eliminated tomorrow.
C'mon buddy, I know that you know that I'm town, Volxen. My pool of townreads is Porkens, Reck, Bulge and you (not sure on SK yet, he's between scum and town, something like null-null).
And the scum pool is Bingle, KMD (less sure), Agar (depending on his next reactions, I can change my mind).
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:59 pm
by Michael Scott
In post 157, clidd wrote:I saw Agar as a partner to KMD, but I don't think KMD stills way scummy as I thought. I need to see how Bingle will react to me.
But I'm willing to vote Agar too, if possible. His recent reactions are forced (as I said before, his trashtalk isn't towny as Reck).
I'm not seeing what you claim to be seeing with respect to Agar's trashtalk vs Reck's trashtalk, and you've brought this up multiple times now. Can you point to a specific example as to why you think that Agar's trashtalk is forced?
- Date Mike (Volxen)
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:13 pm
by clidd
Choo. Choo. Motherfuckers.
I literally fucking quoted the post you're referencing you dolt.
What the fuck is this horseshit? This is :badposting: and is super contrived.
I wanna circle back to this because look if you're gonna pull some dumb shit like meta (which I echo Reck's comments about trash), at least don't ask that person to do the heavy lifting for you. For so many fucking reasons.
Michael Scott is the worst kind of hydra and this attempt to stay "in character" is going to make me very annoyed throughout this game.
33 was garbage to begin with but looking at a VC just confirms that feeling.
Hi KMD. It's just an observation. I know your schedule is fucky.
Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it
This is bad but Kmd's response is also bad. Everything from clidd's outburst can be binned in the "IDGAF about any of this." bin. Anyone trying to argue its indicative of alignment one way or another can catch these hands.
*I* do not give a fuck about clidd's outburst.
Take a look ^
What do you think about these posts ?
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:31 pm
by Aristophanes
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to Eliminate
Day one ends Tuesday, August 25th at 8:30pm EST, or in (expired on 2020-08-25 20:30:00)
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:09 pm
by AGar
In post 156, Porkens wrote:So it's not alignment indicative because YOU don't give a fuck about it?
It's not alignment indicative because that kind of tantrum can be pretty easily emulated regardless of alignment and crying "woe is me" when you have no votes on you is a waste of the limited posting available in the game. Clidd cried "Oh don't take me to lylo" because he wasn't happy with how people are playing, not because he was under immense scrutiny or anything game related.
In post 153, AGar wrote:Not sure I can help you see what is bad about the timing and position of Porkens's vote if you don't already see it. It's pretty straight forward.
i found this interesting because it's a possible mindset slip. you've said you scumread us, but if your wagon analysis is what i think it is, then you also think we're town...............
We're on page 7. There is no read I'm so married to that I'm not willing to note or remark on any other behavior that would contradict it.
In post 156, Porkens wrote:So it's not alignment indicative because YOU don't give a fuck about it?
It's not alignment indicative because that kind of tantrum can be pretty easily emulated regardless of alignment and crying "woe is me" when you have no votes on you is a waste of the limited posting available in the game. Clidd cried "Oh don't take me to lylo" because he wasn't happy with how people are playing, not because he was under immense scrutiny or anything game related.
That's true. I can do that as scum to a certain extent, but overdoing it goes against my principles.
I have one question offtopic: following your behavior throughout the game, I noticed that you don't control what you want to express verbally. Is that your personality or a character ? or is this eventual, when you see something that you consider to be extremely incoherent/bad/etc ?
what do you think is the difference between IDGAF and DGAF? what does any of this mean?
why are the votes bad? wasn't bingle one of your top scumreads?
why agar?
~kanna[/quote]
like children often do
she said...
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Kanna, I misunderstood what AGar was referring to. Agar doesn't give a fuck about clidd feeling sorry for himself, and thinks it's NAI. I thought he meant that clidd didn't give a fuck about the game.
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A wagon in Bingle is perfectly fine.
I was only refering to clidd's vote, and included Buldge's for context. clidd's vote is bad because he goes from voting KMD to Bingle, even though he previously expressed a significantly stronger scum read on Agar than Bingle.
It seemed to me that clidd's vote was more about getting a wagon growing on Bingle rather than pursuing his top scum read.
