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not great, honestly. i get wanting to have an engaging game + people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad? sometimes you just don't have a lot to say or got stuff going on to where you can't post too much.

i think that the Circumstances of the Game as it progresses makes it more clear as to /why/ people are lurky, and if they fall into those first two categories or just that... they're scum trying to slide by.

yay pagetop.

do you think your line of questioning is gonna help you sort clidd in the longrun? i don't see it giving much in the way of alignment. :>

Ah, I don't want to talk about self-meta and other things Menalque, sorry. I already know which way this will take.

hia ydrasse

As scum, would you say you feel pressured to generate content, even if you don't think you would have any as town?

like... i honestly don't think that sorting clidd based on it wanting to be "relaxed" in comparison to his previous games gives us much, even if he's announcing it? fmpov that's a really weak cover for someone and even if it is the case it seems the sort of thing that can be parsed through later down the line through his content and activity then?

p-edit: mmmm. it depends on the view that people have on me; i think there are some games where it's easy to not have stances if the town as a whole is apathetic, and some where it would be super strange to not have opinions? i think thus far though in my experiences as scum i prefer to have content for people to read as to give an illusion of being helpful.

I just want to play relaxed, like I said.

It doesn't mean I'm not going to help, but that I'll play in a less wall-poster way.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In post 152, clidd wrote:Ah, I don't want to talk about self-meta and other things Menalque, sorry. I already know which way this will take.

err what do you mean you know which way this will take? like I'd really like to talk to you about this and to deal with it in good faith? if you can explain to me what it is that you felt burned out on specifically as a result of your last games vs not feeling that way on your prior games, I'll leave it alone

not addressing this is just going to make me more paranoid and more likely to keep on it? which I'm sorry for, but that's how my brain works.

if you just don't wanna talk about it *right now* that's fine and I can certainly wait a couple of days or whatever for a better time for you to discuss it, but it's a conversation we sorta gotta have some point on D1 if you're town

In post 151, Ydrasse wrote:yay pagetop.

do you think your line of questioning is gonna help you sort clidd in the longrun? i don't see it giving much in the way of alignment. :>

well like, I'm currently worried about clidd. that's mostly because I feel like he's trying to pre-emptively justify being not on-meta. which like, good very well be because he's burned out from the last couple of games and he's totally being truthful and just wants to have a chill game. in which case, great! I want him to have that too!

but first I need to check the bit at the back of my mind going "huh, clidd has been very different to his town meta as scum and has lost as scum (maybe partially because of that lack of the ability to fake WIM?) because of that, if he's aware that his meta is different as scum, why wouldn't he try to get everyone to expect something different from normal from him, so that when people go 'hey clidd, you're not on-meta' he can go 'yeah didn't you see my post at the start of the game on why that is? I'm not scum promise'" and again, could well be true. won't feel good until I understand why those last couple of games prompted a different response in him to previous games he'd had that were also stressful

In post 150, Ydrasse wrote:people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

I think morning tweet is town.
I think ydrasse is probably town.
I think GL is probably town.

Pine is null.
Gamma is null.
Dunn is null.

I think farren is kinda scummy.

I think clidd is either scum or town depending on the outcome of my current line of questioning. I think he'll firm up a lot by the end of talking this through.

In post 35, clidd wrote:I'm cognitively fatigued after my last two games, so I don't intend to do wallposts here.

Mena, what do you currently give the odds that clidd is scum trying to justify being off-meta with this comment, versus being town (or even scum!) who just wants to play more low key

In post 158, Menalque wrote:

In post 150, Ydrasse wrote:people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

i mean, i don't think that lurkers just don't post content . they have to to remain in the game, right?

you have to read them from what's there; i'm just against it being strictly on activity level alone when there's like 100000 factors that could explain quietness.

In post 160, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 35, clidd wrote:I'm cognitively fatigued after my last two games, so I don't intend to do wallposts here.

Mena, what do you currently give the odds that clidd is scum trying to justify being off-meta with this comment, versus being town (or even scum!) who just wants to play more low key

I really don't know, morning, that's why I'm asking him.

At rand there's a 75% chance it's the truth, but I'd like to be sure against the 25% chance it's not.

In post 161, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 158, Menalque wrote:

In post 150, Ydrasse wrote:people who are active to talk and to judge on their content but i don't think that a lack of content is inherently bad?

okay, but if people don't produce content how are you ever meant to read them better than at random?

i mean, i don't think that lurkers just don't post content

ever

. they have to to remain in the game, right?

you have to read them from what's there; i'm just against it being strictly on activity level alone when there's like 100000 factors that could explain quietness.

no but certainly if you're quiet enough you can produce just enough to stay in the game and not get kicked while definitely not producing anything reliably readable. not by me anyway, and how can you tell a townie who's just utterly apathetic and has a low postcount as a result of that vs a scum who's decided to just coast it out and take their chances on town eating itself? (esp if they have a partner infiltrating town blocs and steering people wrong)

In post 159, Menalque wrote:I think morning tweet is town.

WOAHWOAWOA you're pocketing me already?

(¬ω¬)

im gonna accept this townread, but ill have you know im onto u

Menalque wrote:

In post 160, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 35, clidd wrote:I'm cognitively fatigued after my last two games, so I don't intend to do wallposts here.

Mena, what do you currently give the odds that clidd is scum trying to justify being off-meta with this comment, versus being town (or even scum!) who just wants to play more low key

I really don't know, morning, that's why I'm asking him.

At rand there's a 75% chance it's the truth, but I'd like to be sure against the 25% chance it's not.

Well see the reason i asked is, it feels a bit unlikely to the point where the effort being put in seems quite greater than the odds of it actually being true.

I just had a brief moment where i felt you were making this out to be much more important than it is, for whatever reason. But of course, if we don't talk abt stuff like this, we don't have content. So fair enough i suppose.

i would never! I just think you are pretty strongly like town so far. maybe I'm just drastically underestimating your scumgame which someone said was very good and who I generally respect, but you feel super similar to the last couple of games when you were town so I just wanna like townbin you and not worry about it

also, I'd feel so guilty for pocketing your tiny batface and would never be able to keep it up all game. look at those innocent, trusting eyes and those big flicky ears!

**

err, maybe? but like idk if there are playerlists where that just wouldn't be interrogated very much and people would just go like "ahh, cool, fair enough!"... and so if he was scum and thought town were at least reasonably likely to do that it's not a lot of effort for a potentially high reward. but like this is really all just speculation that's maybe not that useful until clidd answers me or decides he's hard committing on not answering me which is like a whole other thing to then try and sort

I will try to explain it eventually, but as I said, I don't want to have to surprise the expectations of elucidating in the rational-irrefutable field the progression of my tiredness.

And it's toxic to use a personal reason to get some kind of advantage, in my opinion.

In post 167, clidd wrote:And it's toxic to use a personal reason to get some kind of advantage, in my opinion.

I think this is mostly true and will stop trying to read you based on this if you feel I'm pushing this angle too hard/you really feel uncomfortable talking about it?

but do you at least get where I'm coming from with wanting to talk about it?

if it's really objectionable I will try to just read you on how you play during the game but like if you can talk about it at a chill time which is good for you it would just help me feel better about you if you do end up playing v different to normal... or alternatively you promise me forgiveness if I cast a game losing vote on you in GyLo :X

Correction: supply instead of surprise.

do you have any thoughts on who might be scum so far btw?

Don't worry, I think your reasons to fos me are towny, but it would be better if you try to read me on how I play.

In post 170, Menalque wrote:do you have any thoughts on who might be scum so far btw?

PoE is telling Pine and Dunn. But it might change if they post something good.

In post 165, Menalque wrote:i would never! I just think you are pretty strongly like town so far. maybe I'm just drastically underestimating your scumgame which someone said was very good and who I generally respect, but you feel super similar to the last couple of games when you were town so I just wanna like townbin you and not worry about it

also, I'd feel so guilty for pocketing your tiny batface and would never be able to keep it up all game. look at those innocent, trusting eyes and those big flicky ears!

**

err, maybe? but like idk if there are playerlists where that just wouldn't be interrogated very much and people would just go like "ahh, cool, fair enough!"... and so if he was scum and thought town were at least reasonably likely to do that it's not a lot of effort for a potentially high reward. but like this is really all just speculation that's maybe not that useful until clidd answers me or decides he's hard committing on not answering me which is like a whole other thing to then try and sort

my take: I'm not good at the skilled parts of scum, like directing town into miselims or like PR speculation. i am okay at appearing townie but I myself don't know why so is that really that good?

awh ok. im holding you to this now-- dont break my heart! (>ω<)

I see what you're saying a bit better now. Even though i personally seriously doubt it's alignment indictative, the discussion we're creating is nice. I think in particular i find 167 pretty convincing clidd isn't lying here

I will do my best but like, if you do feel up to it (even if you wanna just throw it in a spoiler or whatever and then @me) it would definitely help me to feel better about your slot (if only in the form of removing paranoia) if you could

I'll leave it alone for now tho, yeah