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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:36 am
by Frogsterking
In post 148, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: 72offsuit
Alright I still have my slight townie read on Noraa from all the way back to page 1 or 2 and in contrast I'm struggling to understand the motivations of a few players, namely EchoVision, 72offsuit, and sirius.
I feel like I understand PLUSjoyed and shelly's motivations, however, I'm reading them as null right now because I haven't seen them do anything that indicates to me their alignment is one way or the other.
Of the players mentioned above, if I had to pick right now, I would choose 72offsuit as being the mafia.
And because I promised shelly earlier I would attempt to explain my actions better, if I had to describe the reason I believe 72offsuit is the mafia, it's because during the chaos that happened around page 2 and 3 it seemed like Sirius and EchoVision were trying to find common ground and 72offsuit was more so taking advantage of a situation which already seemd chaotic, and he was not contributing anything that seemed very helpful at the time.
In post 149, Frogsterking wrote:And to clarify my reason for FoSing 72offsuit in
149 further, I believe he chose to step in during a chaotic situation that had potential to be very disadvantageous to town, a quickhammer on page 2 or 3 of a thread, during which other players were confused about what was going on and he seemed like he was not very confused.
My FoS on 72offsuit which began with my vote in post
148 based on his behavior in a series of posts:
60,
70,
71,
72,
73,
74.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:02 am
by EchoVision
i'm not gonna lie i'm not a fan of mary poppins i kinda hate it to be brutally honest
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:24 am
by Frogsterking
In post 151, EchoVision wrote:i'm not gonna lie i'm not a fan of mary poppins i kinda hate it to be brutally honest
Me too
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:54 pm
by Noraa
Posts 70-78 were all 72offsuit's. I feel like posting that many times in a row shows that the poster needs people to agree with his ideas which seems to strike me as a scum move. I didn't really understand what Frogster was referring to as disadvantageous to the town. If it was the intent to hammer thing, I thought 72offsuit didn't contribute anything to that since he just kept saying shellyc was scum but didn't also declare intent to hammer.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:01 pm
by Noraa
Also I have echo in my townbook for now because I think he has said a lot of things that I feel a mafia would not say. Posts 151, 135, 91, 39. I just went thru and picked a few but I think there's some more that I might've missed.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:16 pm
by PlusJOYED
Subject to change, but for now:
slight town lean: froster (effort to scumhunt), echo (effort to scumhunt)
null: shelly, noraa, 720
sligh scum lean: sirius (for reasons stated earlier), scepterous (has made 1 post that basically said "I agree with everyone so far"), niaking (active lurking)
I understand frosters FoS on 720 but they could just been wanting to pressure shelly and not, ya know, hammer them. But hasn't been really pro town yet. Would prefer to exert pressure on Sirius, sceptorous, or niaking. Anyone wanna join? Though I'll be unvoting at E-1 unless they prove to act very scummy since I don't wanna hammer yet.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 pm
by shellyc
In post 150, Frogsterking wrote:My FoS on 72offsuit which began with my vote in post 148 based on his behavior in a series of posts: 60, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74.
They literally know what they're doing because they're an SE...
might reflect noraa read #153 and #154 are town posts to me
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:20 pm
by 72offsuit
Shallow meta diving shelly, her tone is more serious as scum, which i think reflects her play here, whereas as town she is more informal relaxed and jokey.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:23 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 153, Noraa wrote:Posts 70-78 were all 72offsuit's. I feel like posting that many times in a row shows that the poster needs people to agree with his ideas which seems to strike me as a scum move. I didn't really understand what Frogster was referring to as disadvantageous to the town. If it was the intent to hammer thing, I thought 72offsuit didn't contribute anything to that since he just kept saying shellyc was scum but didn't also declare intent to hammer.
Did u even care to look at my previous games to see if this theory is correct?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:24 pm
by Noraa
How am I supposed to find your previous games?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:28 pm
by Noraa
Figured it out. I skimmed a few pages of one called air and I did see some long chains of posts. I think you were a townie in that game but I skimmed the last few pages so I might be wrong.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:29 pm
by Noraa
Ig that's just posting style then
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:01 pm
by shellyc
In post 157, 72offsuit wrote:Shallow meta diving shelly, her tone is more serious as scum, which i think reflects her play here, whereas as town she is more informal relaxed and jokey.
Which games did you look at? I have had one towngame and one scumgame. I was serious that game mainly because that was my first game. In the towngame I was relaxed because I just basically made it through an intense 1v7 as scum.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:08 pm
by shellyc
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 pm
by Noraa
chains of posts. I haven't seen any so far besides 72offsuit's so I thought they were sus but it seems it's just posting style
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:47 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 28, shellyc wrote:Wow I'm at E-2 all of a sudden! Amazing.
72offsuit's wagon vote does seem a little suspect to me but nothing much. "Low effort" is a thought that comes from scum more than town IMO.
Little suspect, but nothing much - classic scum hedging their bets.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:49 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 36, Noraa wrote:I thought Echovision voting multiple times was a lil sus bc it seems like he's desperately trying to eliminate shelly. The reply shelly gave was a lil provocative soo idk what to feel there. I feel like it's too hard to be sure on anything rn tho cuz most people haven't said much.
Why would echo be desperate to kick shelly of all players and why would he show such 'desperation' if that was the case?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:51 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 38, Sceptorus wrote:kk cool, i kinda share that thought process, so id put you in my early townbook for now
ScumSceptor basically said the same of a townie (billy)
in newbie 2020.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:52 pm
by 72offsuit
How does Noraa seem townie?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:56 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 47, shellyc wrote:Early thoughts:
Sceptorus - Asking people to talk is a townie trait, prompts Noraa to give their thoughts. I am feeling town here early on.
Noraa - #29 sheeps me, #36 sheeps Sceptorus. I don't know if this is a personality trait or anything, but this sounds like newbscum that agrees and latches on.
EchoVision - I am feeling slight town because of their single minded insistence to vote me. A mafia would hardly show the aggression that this shows.
Tunneling a player as scum is a pretty easy way to win.
Newbie 1986
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82166
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:58 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 49, shellyc wrote: In post 48, Frogsterking wrote:In my opinion if you have to lie about your choices/posts it's easier to make simple choices/posts over and over, like voting the same person, the way EchoVision did. If Noraa is lying about all of what she said it seems like a lot to make up on the spot.
Obviously I could be all wrong it just seems like pretty good reasoning considering it's page 2.
IMO that tunneling on me is townie aggression. You have a point there (repeating) though...
Scumshelly trying to play nice and be agreeable.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:00 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 53, shellyc wrote: In post 52, Noraa wrote:It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.
Okay what you are describing here is a pocket. I literally think their actions are townie, is that a problem? So you're saying that townreading people is a crime? I acknowledged Frogster's view as well that they could be scum repeating their actions.
Overly defensive.
Echo is town for pushing you in rVS and im scum for pushing you with reasons?
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 61, shellyc wrote: In post 60, 72offsuit wrote:Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.
Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.
Town's job isnt to prove themself to be town. Town's job is to kick scum.
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:02 pm
by 72offsuit
Evidence of shelly not having a town mindset, but rather having a scum survival agenda
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:05 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 81, shellyc wrote:
I first come in and am aware of Sirius's attempts to give me a townpass. You see that as a scumslip (it is obviously not one).
Then I react saying you are wrong. I have no need to prove you wrong because I know I am town. My townieness will shine through.
Literally have no idea what you are doing by pushing me here. When are you going to keep making wrong cases, until lylo?
Im talking about your reaction to my push against you, nothing to do with sirius.