Newbie 2048 | Game Over

[Maduisha]

I'm never passive aggressive!!! I'm not a native speaker and I pick up speech patterns from others, and end up speaking like a movie character. Never mind my silliness.

[RLotus]

Actually I'm gonna place this here:

VOTE: RLotus

Because that readlist looked a tiny bit panicky to post "content" and I found it amusing.

OMGUS very nice

[RLotus]

I'm never passive aggressive!!! I'm not a native speaker and I pick up speech patterns from others, and end up speaking like a movie character. Never mind my silliness.

oh, my misunderstanding then

[Battle Mage]

BM- I'm pretty sure his conviction on Emperor is town, even though I don't think his conclusion is solid whatsoever. Strongest town read

Rockhopper- Slight town read, I think his direction his townie. It seems he is evaluating what has happened thus far as if he is trying to sort.

Enchant- Slight town read for not being afraid to put himself directly opposed to BM.

Emperor- I can't find anything explicity scummy from him. It was a bit awkward how he snap voted BM when BM called him out. Could be a town reaction too, idk, null for now.

Maduisha- This slot feels weird to me. She keeps jumping in and helping people out and being explainy. It feels like she is trying to endear herself to town as opposed to making hard stances. This is my best scum read thus far.

VOTE: Maduisha

I don't have a bad feeling about Maduisha currently, although it's fair to say they have been fence-sitty. I don't agree with your reason for townreading Enchant - why would that slot be afraid of directly opposing me? in the last game, they beat me and i didn't play well. also they are really buddying Emp, as opposed to going out on a limb by themselves.

Overall the reactions to Emp are interesting. My own reflection would be, objectively he has been very scummy by early-game newbie-game standards, but the behaviour of others towards him makes me wonder if he is town being buddied. If he was scum, I'd have expected to see a partner come out and distance a bit, but it hasn't really seemed to happen, and too many people have spoken up for him. In his favour, he didn't completely wilt under questionning, although I don't think his answers were good. I

[Battle Mage]

BM- I'm pretty sure his conviction on Emperor is town, even though I don't think his conclusion is solid whatsoever. Strongest town read

Rockhopper- Slight town read, I think his direction his townie. It seems he is evaluating what has happened thus far as if he is trying to sort.

Enchant- Slight town read for not being afraid to put himself directly opposed to BM.

Emperor- I can't find anything explicity scummy from him. It was a bit awkward how he snap voted BM when BM called him out. Could be a town reaction too, idk, null for now.

Maduisha- This slot feels weird to me. She keeps jumping in and helping people out and being explainy. It feels like she is trying to endear herself to town as opposed to making hard stances. This is my best scum read thus far.

VOTE: Maduisha

I don't have a bad feeling about Maduisha currently, although it's fair to say they have been fence-sitty. I don't agree with your reason for townreading Enchant - why would that slot be afraid of directly opposing me? in the last game, they beat me and i didn't play well. also they are really buddying Emp, as opposed to going out on a limb by themselves.

Overall the reactions to Emp are interesting. My own reflection would be, objectively he has been very scummy by early-game newbie-game standards, but the behaviour of others towards him makes me wonder if he is town being buddied. If he was scum, I'd have expected to see a partner come out and distance a bit, but it hasn't really seemed to happen, and too many people have spoken up for him. In his favour, he didn't completely wilt under questionning, although I don't think his answers were good. I

[Battle Mage]

i had written that post before like the half dozen preceding posts...you spambots!

[Maduisha]

Actually I'm gonna place this here:

VOTE: RLotus

Because that readlist looked a tiny bit panicky to post "content" and I found it amusing.

OMGUS very nice

Nah, I just feel like having a readlist this early is kinda forced. In the past I have gotten pushed to post my reads when I had none and I felt weird about it because it was too early, so seeing someone vomit a readlist this early without anyone asking feels double weird.

[Battle Mage]

i dont think there's anything odd about RLotus having a readslist this early. But there's a question about whether the contents of that readslist seem legit.

[RLotus]

Maduisha seems way too uncomfortable with the one vote on her.

I don't agree with your reason for townreading Enchant - why would that slot be afraid of directly opposing me?

The way I am currently seeing the game is a town(you) pushing on a town/potential scum (emperor). Now, it wouldn't make much sense to go against the grain like that and put yourself opposed to the supposed town as mafia, because you are just putting a target on yourself.

I could very well be wrong on how I am seeing the game, but like I said, it's a town lean for enchant.

[RLotus]

And scumreading someone for posting reads feels forced, as if you are coming up with a reason to OMGUS me and relieve the pressure from yourself.

[RLotus]

Not gonna say I 100% caught a scum rn, but it feels very fishy.

[Battle Mage]

I agree that Maduisha's reaction to that vote was over-dramatic. is it scum indicative? I'm unsure, need to think about it.

i dont think it's hard to imagine a world where Enchant-scum buddies Emp-town against BM-town. Isn't that the default basic scumplay in that position? 2 townies fighting, white-knight the one more likely to get elimmed, to get the towncred when they do.

[Battle Mage]

And scumreading someone for posting reads feels forced, as if you are coming up with a reason to OMGUS me and relieve the pressure from yourself.

this doesnt feel at all dissimilar to how Emp responded to me...and you don't think he did anything scummy. definitely an inconsistency in your approach here.

[Maduisha]

i dont think there's anything odd about RLotus having a readslist this early. But there's a question about whether the contents of that readslist seem legit.

I find it hard to have impressions of everyone before even getting to engage with them all. And says I'm farming towncred because I answered a doubt about masons once...?

I don't know, it might be an honest mistake and if others don't agree that it's weird, I will back down, because pushing alone accomplishes nothing in the end. But I didn't like that.

Maduisha seems way too uncomfortable with the one vote on her.

I don't agree with your reason for townreading Enchant - why would that slot be afraid of directly opposing me?

The way I am currently seeing the game is a town(you) pushing on a town/potential scum (emperor). Now, it wouldn't make much sense to go against the grain like that and put yourself opposed to the supposed town as mafia, because you are just putting a target on yourself.

I could very well be wrong on how I am seeing the game, but like I said, it's a town lean for enchant.

I'm not uncomfortable, I didn't vote you because you voted me. I voted you because you posted that list out of the blue, it would have happened regardless of who you voted there. I actually wouldn't mind being the policy elimination in a case of having 0 leads at the end of D1 cycle (hopefully not), because my scum games end with people townreading me until the end, and I understand the concern and the possibility of wanting to erase that worry. So, don't worry, I won't accuse you until you unvote or something silly like that, I'm not that petty (I think).

[RLotus]

this doesnt feel at all dissimilar to how Emp responded to me...and you don't think he did anything scummy. definitely an inconsistency in your approach here.

Well I did mention it as awkward in my read of him. It's different because he didn't come up with a reason to do so. He just voted you and then said I'm not sure if this is town or scum BM. Maybe that makes it worse, Idk, just not confident on the vibe I get from him.

[RLotus]

I actually wouldn't mind being the policy elimination in a case of having 0 leads

I hate that you said this lol

[RLotus]

Seems pointless to reevaluate someone who just goes and claims VT

[Maduisha]

I claimed nothing. I'm saying I would not mind if people agreed it's convenient in a weird scenario. We have yet to see that happen.

[Battle Mage]

I actually wouldn't mind being the policy elimination in a case of having 0 leads

I hate that you said this lol

...did you have to draw attention to it?

[RLotus]

I figure others would notice it if I did. To me that cements her as the best elim for today.

[Battle Mage]

And beware, we don't want an early miselim here, its alr 3 votes on Enchant lmao

Binatog, why did you assume Enchant was town here?

[Battle Mage]

I figure others would notice it if I did. To me that cements her as the best elim for today.

Allow me to reiterate my earlier sentiments:

town crumbing bad
drawing attention to town crumbs more bad.

I don't agree even slightly that it makes her "the best elim for today" when we are a few pages and 1-2 rl days in. I still don't understand why you would draw attention to this, especially as town.

[RLotus]

I don't agree even slightly that it makes her "the best elim for today" when we are a few pages and 1-2 rl days in. I still don't understand why you would draw attention to this, especially as town.

Unless either you have a very strong mafia read elsewhere or are willing to lock her town, I think elimming the VT claim is just mechanically best. Especially since I think there's a decent chance that this is mafia.

[Maduisha]

I don't agree even slightly that it makes her "the best elim for today" when we are a few pages and 1-2 rl days in. I still don't understand why you would draw attention to this, especially as town.

Unless either you have a very strong mafia read elsewhere or are willing to lock her town, I think elimming the VT claim is just mechanically best. Especially since I think there's a decent chance that this is mafia.

I just wanted to explain why I'm okay with votes (since you said I'm uncomfortable), and suddenly I'm the best elimination slot because you thin I slipped VT. I'm very confused...

[Battle Mage]

I don't agree even slightly that it makes her "the best elim for today" when we are a few pages and 1-2 rl days in. I still don't understand why you would draw attention to this, especially as town.

Unless either you have a very strong mafia read elsewhere or are willing to lock her town, I think elimming the VT claim is just mechanically best. Especially since I think there's a decent chance that this is mafia.

Although the debates about mechanics in this game have been interesting, I don't think elimming the first VT claim in a newbie setup by default is a good mechanical strategy. For starters, it doesn't do Maduisha-scum any favours to crumb VT, and so it's a small towntell to do so.

So yeah, reads aside, I strongly disagree with your suggested burden of proof to do something other than elim Maduisha. We still could do so. But to say it's strategically best to elim her "unless you have a very strong mafia read elsewhere or are willing to lock her town" is setting a higher bar than is sensible in this situation. Although I'd rather we didn't have a bunch of Day 1 claims, I want to always approach games eliminating the player most likely to be scum.